Jon Snow

10 minutes ago, Zod said:

You can't convince me ANY NFL player would want to play for the Jets. 

I can give you 156 million reasons.

What is the Observer?

So let me get this straight, you want to basically swap situations with the Texans?  I mean if you give up what it's going to take acquire Watson then you will be in the same boat they are now and they will be in ours.  Think about that for a minute.  

He will have them picking 1st in no time.

1 minute ago, MVPccaffrey said:

The mentality that you and GMs have of keeping a flame for pro-bowl but no all-pro talent that with teddy two yards has no chance of ever elevating a team above 9-7 at best while the the best QB to hit the market in his prime in possibly three decades is out there, is why there are so many middling, loser teams out there, Panthers included.

Where in my statement did I champion for Teddy B.?  Are you high?  You guys are awful worked up over this pipedream this morning.

9 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

I would trade two firsts, CMC, Burns, Chinn, Moton, and Brown and not lose a wink of sleep

Thank heavens you don't get to make that call. 

Just now, TheCasillas said:

Rodgers won his super bowl outside of his Rookie contract and the Packers drafted a 1st round bust in Harrell in 2007 didn't have a 1st round pick in 2008 and Rodgers signed his mega deal in 2010. Then drafted another bust in 2011.

So what I am seeing is.... The Packers spent a shitload of money on QB, and won a super bowl with a bust and no first round pick. The proceeded to bust on the next year's pick.

So?  That's their problem.  Are you suggesting that because they missed on the last few QBs that we don't try to draft one because we are sure to miss as well?

Just now, Ship said:

We can afford anything with the right deal!

Deal?  You guys are dreaming. 

Just now, Growl said:

there are no complete teams

No, but you have get as much talent everywhere on the team that you can.  It's a constant churn to keep a team competitive.  

Agree to disagree.

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

Wouldnt we if we got Watson? Aaron Rodgers has the same impact on the pack cap, as watson would here.

They drafted him.  They didn't trade the farm for him when they were rebuilding.

8 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Packers live off of free agency/trades... Chiefs too... Bills as well. It's not a Bucs strategy. Even though they are the topic right now.

The Packers, Chiefs and Bills can afford to because they drafted their franchise QB's, duh.

2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I am leaning into the fact that not all player acquisitions revolve around the draft. 

And that strategy has rarely ever worked.  We will see what the Bucs look like next season once they get bounced from the playoffs.  

Just now, Growl said:

if we're planning on using 1st round picks on depth pieces then we should just go ahead and make this trade

 

look, i get what you're saying, but the argument here centers around us being pretty well structured and in position to build a great team, not that we aren't so and can't afford to take the chance

 

 

Who said use 1st round picks on depth?  I get that you guys are star struck over Watson but the reality is he alone cannot do it all.  You need a complete team and brother this team is not complete, not even close.

1 minute ago, Ship said:

It’s Deshaun Watson and you guys would turn him away. He is massive potential actualized, not some maybe draft pick. You act like we won’t be able to draft a soul in the entire draft for 5 years. You act like we can’t sign anyone in FA. You don’t let an elite young QB pass you by. He’s a franchise changing player.

Turn him away? Hell no!  We can't afford him.

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

All free agents? More reason this can be pulled off. Although, Id leave McCoy on the street.

Kinda goes against the one player away philosophy don't it?  That's called going all in for ONE shot at a SB title.

Just now, Growl said:

this is a bit reactionary, good teams aren't really as complete as they appear from the outside

it's about being good at essential spots, this team has some pieces in place in that regard, and the discussion here is centering around another

And when those few pieces get injured and the loses start piling up because you have no depth or heaven forbid your high priced big name qb that you traded away all your capital for building to acquire then what?

2 minutes ago, Growl said:

You can absolutely be one QB away from the playoffs, as Tampa has demonstrated

the argument here is-do I like this crop of QBs? if you do, it's hard to pass that up, with all the inherent advantages it has

But we are more than a QB away.  This team needs about a dozen starters and depth everywhere.  You guys are drinking the Kool-Aid just because this team managed to not look like ass and win a couple of games.  

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I'm leaning that way also. I never wanted to trade up, and generally hate losing draft capital (especially in rounds 1 and 2). That being said, how could I really get mad at acquiring Deshaun Watson if it happens? If you make a move like that, you just tighten your belts for a time, be smart and particular about your choices for a time, get through it and move on.

Giving up so much for one player, no matter how great, on a rebuilding team is exactly the thinking that gets GMs fired.  You are never one player away from a championship.  It's the way fans think but not realistic for a team starting from the ground up.  Despite what the homer's think around here this team is a long way from competing for the playoffs and giving up everything for Watson will not change that.  It would cripple this team for years.  Thank God there are smarter people running this team now. 

8 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

People not wanting this trade would be ok trading the same assets to get to #3

Not me.  I am in favor of staying put at 8 and play the hand we are dealt.  

That's a tough call, they both are assholes.  Push?

I assume this is your first?  

8 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

Trump is the 45th president. 4 + 5 = 9, which is the number of lives of a cat.  CAT backwards = TAC.  TAC = Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre, which is in Australia. Anagram of Australia = Ultra Asia.

Ultra Asia? Umm if you STILL don't believe Coronavirus was artificially created and leaked deliberately by China in order to eradicate most of the global population so that they could emerge as the leading superpower, secret cure in hand, then WAKE...UP...SHEEPLE! Ultra Asia is right around the corner and you mask-wearing idiots are too stupid to see it!

Makes sense to me.

2 hours ago, Wes21 said:

I honestly didn't even think that what you described was "a thing."  When I picture those types of areas, obviously I picture being relatively alone.  But I guess I should have figured it.  I'm in the VA Beach area, and as soon as they open up anything its all shoulder to shoulder, including the fishing piers.

I loved my Asheville experience!  However, I can appreciate if you were there when it was a different place and that's what you signed up for.

I lived in Greensboro through the mid 80's to early 90's and the same thing happened there over time.  I knew every inch of Greensboro and where to go and where to keep your ass out of.   I don't recognize the town now.  Asheville is trending that way now.  I'm just getting old man.

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I've loved Colorado, but the Front Range is just way too damn crowded now. All of the things I moved out here for 13 years ago are just a lot less enjoyable now due to the crowds. I-70 to and from the mountains is a total disaster. When we first moved out here, Charlotte traffic was way worse than Denver traffic. That comparison reversed probably 7-8 years ago. The streams are packed shoulder to shoulder with fishermen. The mountain biking and hiking trails are packed. The Jeep trails are almost as packed as I-70.  The breweries are packed. I haven't completely ruled out a return to CO, but if it happens it'll be to the western slope. If it's a reasonable day trip from the Front Range, I don't want any part of it.

Sounds eerily similar to Asheville, NC.  I moved here 20 years ago and it was much different then.  It's gotten too crowded for me.