Jon Snow

8 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Won't work well enough. The game has changed. It favors the offense. You try to build a defense like that and roll with a mediocre QB and you're going to get rolled more often than not. 

That Ravens team and season was an anomaly. We rarely see a defense dominate with mediocre QB play because it just doesn't work except in rare circumstances.

Defense doesn't win championships anymore. 

I think the Eagles would beg to differ with you. Had their defense shown up they win. A complimentary offense and defense wins championships. You have to score a lot of points sure but you better be able to prevent the other team from doing the same thing.  Your offense cannot consistently keep putting the defense in bad situations either. 

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/28/seahawks-pete-carroll-quarterback-2023-draft

Despite Geno Smith‘s resurgent campaign in his first season with the Seahawks, head coach Pete Carroll admitted Seattle is mulling all options when it comes to the 2023 draft, including potentially drafting a quarterback. 

During a media address on Tuesday, Carroll described the Seahawks as being "totally connected" to the top quarterbacks in the draft, via Bob Condotta of The Seattle Times. 

“We’re totally connected to the quarterbacks that are coming out. This is a really huge opportunity for us. It’s a rare opportunity—we’ve been drafting in the low 20s for such a long time you just don’t get the chance with some of these guys. So we’re deeply involved with all that,” said Carroll.

I'd say Seattle might be a wildcard in this draft also. Geno is a one-year wonder at this point and they could be looking to their potential future franchise QB as well. 

I watched his press conference live and I came away with that impression.  

19 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

The conversation always seem to be either draft a rookie or bring in a vet. Fitteter said he was swinging for the fence which means he will do both. He will draft a qb likely in day 1 and will bring in a vet. Reich wants a winning season right away.  So does Tepper and so do I. We have to do better than 7-10  next year and should. So we won't put all our eggs in 1 basket but take a few swings to ensure success. 

I've been thinking this is the plan all along.  I just cannot see them gambling everything on a rookie from day one. 

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

 

I had to poop that just because I would actually love to hit that man in the mug with a pile of poop. 

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Getting to video tape the opposing teams practice sure seemed to help them during the first half of one particular SB...

Being the best at cheating certainly helps as well 

2 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

There is definitely a line where athleticism and talent matters though. If all you had to be was smart and have some touch the league would be dominated by 6 ft QBs like Heineke. Fitzpatrick was a Harvard grad and was only moderately successful.

Understanding the game only goes as far as you’re able to implement that understanding on your play. 
 

You can be smartest and conceptually understand everything but if you crumble under pressure and can’t stand in the pocket you’re useless.

Athleticism is definitely a factor.  These guy's would not be here if they weren't.  All of the qbs coming out in recent years are very athletic.  That is the reality of the kids playing at the college level.  

The nfl has been trying to adjust to the evolution of the prospects coming into the league.  There's no such thing as a pocket passer qb anymore. The colleges are just not producing those types of QBs. 

The game has evolved to a point that inorder to compete  you need a qb with some mobility. They need enough mobility to make things happen to keep a drive alive in the big game.  You are competing against the likes of Mahomes, Hurts, Burrow, Allen, you get the picture. 

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

True, but all things being equal (or close to equal, because things are never really equal), I'm taking the smart, accurate guy with the athleticism, and anybody would.

Absolutely, I want the smartest most accurate guy there is behind center. 

Look at it this way. If the guy already has great footwork, anticipation and can also fit it in tight windows as a rookie coming out of college that is guy you want to look at. Those natural abilities that are difficult to teach is invaluable to a rookie.  It slows down the game for them because they are not thinking about their mechanics while still trying to read a defense.  They are not going to have wide open receivers all the time at this level.

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Weird, but yeah it's Washington.

Worth noting that the previous statements came before Bieniemy got there. Now he's the OC and they're walking it back

There's still time for them to screw it up somehow.  

3 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

My interpretation of what the new staff has stated about the QB position is that they're going to place significantly more importance on intelligence than what we've seen in the past. 

After hearing them, I thought to myself:  If what these coaches are saying is true, no way is Sam Darnold getting resigned by the Panthers. 

I've heard that his offense can be hard to master for the average qb. Not sure what that means. I assume it to mean it has a library of plays and concepts to learn to fully master it. I'm sure he can adapt it to the abilities of his qb as he's done in the past. 

The only difference would be that this would be the first time he's had the opportunity to select who he thinks can master it from the draft. 

The only other thing that could upset that would be that they could not manage to get the guy they wanted for whatever reason.  But I am confident that they will get one of the 2 guys they will have it narrowed down to. 

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

I thought I heard someone on Total Access a few weeks back speculate the Howell could be released this offseason.  I thought it an odd thing to say at the time but seeing as it's that team I wasn't too shocked.  The way Ron sounded in his interview today and as that tweet states, he sure sounded like they would take a qb in this draft. He didn’t sound like he was excited about his current qb situation to me.

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Sure, but some are more athletic than others, & like Reich said, "We all know where this is heading." 

That doesn't mean athleticism overrides the other two.  It doesn't matter how big, fast or strong they are if they aren't accurate enough or smart enough to master the position at this level.

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

You good bro?

 

If you disagree just say that, but don't act like you know what's going on behind the scenes.

 

 

I didn't say I did. I do know that we could get outbid if some other teams are willing to get in the bidding war.  Are you good bro?

2 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Matt hasn't made it to the NFL based on a charmed life, he has had to overcome adversity at almost every turn along the way.

I can't help but admire people who succeed despite the hand they're dealt in life.  It requires mental fortitude, toughness and grit.

Hopefully, Matt gets an opportunity with the Panthers new staff to demonstrate he has the tools they're looking for in a QB.  

Yeah, it might be a long shot, but it won't cost the team anything to give Matt an opportunity in camp.  If he succeeds, it frees up money and future picks to address other team needs.

Fingers crossed, Matt could be our next Jake Delhomme.

It would certainly would preferable if the starter was already on the roster.  But we have not been that lucky since Jake signed here.

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Neither do you my friend...

 

This a speculation board my man. Not everybody has the same opinion.

It's not speculation when you state it as fact. 

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

You can't teach athleticism.

All of these guys are athletic. 

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

Call me crazy, but my personal opinion is to go from 9 to 1 will take 3 1sts, (2) 2nds this year, and 2 future 3rds. 

The Bears can hold out for whatever they want. But IMO that many picks is a no go for me. 

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

This is where I think Burns comes into play.

 

Burns/2 1st beats anybody offer.

 

You cannot say that. You do not know what other teams are willing to offer.  The Bears want draft picks and a lot of them. The want more than 3 1sts my friend.  You will need to throw in a few 2nds as well just to join the conversation. 

4 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Jon....today is Tuesday.

Sorry,  I made that same mistake today. Only I thought it was Monday.  Thank you for reminding me that I cannot keep up with the day of the week lol.

Just now, thunderraiden said:

Why wouldnt it? Gives carolina the most leverage, and #3 gives Chicago even more leverage as well. They dont even have to stop trading down at #3 if they create a bidding war for the #3 QB in the draft. They just want the best defensive player while collecting picks.

 

i'll admit the hardest part of this scenario to rectify is the simple desire of the Cardinals to move down to the #9 pick. 
 

I also dont see Indy having the stomach to trade multiple first instead of sitting at #4 which Carolina has.

Because multiple trades like that doesn't happen.  Because you are assuming that it will be that easy with everyone interested in trading around.  That's just fantasy thinking. 

On 2/27/2023 at 12:03 PM, ladypanther said:

 .....Fitterer and new Panthers coach Frank Reich scheduled to address the media Wednesday in Indy, 

https://theathletic.com/4249843/2023/02/27/carolina-panthers-combine-nfl-draft/

Did anyone catch these interviews? I had nfl network on the entire time but the didn't show their interviews that I saw. But I wasn't glued to the screen the entire time also.

5 minutes ago, thunderraiden said:

with this development we can easily get the #1 pick for 3 first if we give each team a first and move cars to #9 Bears to #3 and us to #1.

 

win-win-win

Ugh, yeah, not going to happen.  That's a fantasy football move.

3 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

But as good as Brady was, they had years of the Dolphins not caring about winning, the Bills sucking hind teat, and the Jets had two decent years. It was basically 6-0 in conference no matter what. I do see the Saints, Bucs, and Falcons are all in rebuild mode. The thing about them is all of them are going to have their current coaches pull them further in the gutter and things will get worse before it gets better. 

All true. But when they got in the playoffs the dominated the competition.  It's one thing to cakewalk through your division but its a totally different level when you cakewalk through the playoffs and the SB.

17 minutes ago, rayzor said:

I have guys I want and guys I don't, but I trust these coaches more than my gut or any other opinion. 

I'm trying to prepare myself for them picking a guy and going

Just trying to be ready for anything.

You also have to prepare for the possibility that they simply cannot get in a position to take their 1st choice at qb. It takes 2 to tango you know.

Just now, La Pantera said:

All I know is everyone is saying frank wants an RPO QB. Well, guess what? Corral is an RPO QB...

But he's not the only qb who can run the RPO. Also he said that they are not running one specific type of offense so it doesn't mean it's RPO only.  The most important thing to Frank is accuracy and what's between the ears. He can teach the rest.

1 minute ago, NorthTryon said:

It would be glorious though to have a Patriots like run where we were consistent and everyone else was in turmoil for 10-15yrs!

I think every team dreams of that kind if dominance.  Even the Patriots are trying to figure out how to get back to that form. But as they've found out you have to find the next Tom Brady to pull it off.