Jon Snow

Just now, csx said:

He's under contract through 2025 isn't he?

Yes. I thought it was up after this season. The point still remains that doing anything to it now only makes it worse not better. 

1 minute ago, jb2288 said:

12 dead vs 27 this year. I’d ride it out next 2 years we aren’t paying anyone else besides hunt and brown

I stand corrected.  Either way he's not getting paid 30m per for this and next season like I was saying to JL.

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

It's $30m again next year as well

He is not actually getting paid 30m. His actual salary is only a fraction of that. The rest is cap charge for all the signing bonuses he's already gotten over the years. I would speculate that his actual pay is less than 10m.

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

It seems Brandt Tilis has stopped the insane restructuring for a 5 win team. 

I haven't looked but I think Moton is the 8th highest non-QB cap hit in the whole NFL, gooooo panthers!!!!

I think he should take a pay cut.......but that's tilis job now..

You can't without restructuring it into an extension, for the 3rd time. Just let it die the death it should have and start over with a new cheaper short term contract next year.  

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

They appear to be letting it ride with his contract.   For the best

Exactly what the should do. Sign him to a new contract next season if both agree but right now let it be.

1 minute ago, chknwing said:

I dont think anyone has mention the fact that the #1 safety in the draft could be staring Carolina in the face at pick #33.  Tyler Nubin

BPA all the way.

4 hours ago, Stingray3030 said:

Worst OLine in the league paired with worst WR core in the league paired with below average TE receiving group paired with below average RB receivers paired with an outdated scheme paired with horrendous team culture.  Our offense as a whole was probably worse than the top 25 in the NCAA last year....not exaggerating.  It isn't excuses it is facts....data, results, eye test all confirm.

Bryce could very well be the problem - but you would never know based on last season because he had offensively the worst situation I have ever heard of any quarterback walking into.  Seriously look at the last 5-10 years of top 10 picked QB's and find me an equivalent....I would bet it is next to impossible.

That said we have improved our OLine tremendously on paper, improved our WR room by 1 significant piece, hopefully improved our scheme and culture tremendously - TE, RB, and WR still need major work to even be average weapons in the passing game.  If we hit well on a WR and TE we will know for sure who Bryce is gonna be and what his potential is.  Is he Tua or is he prime Russ?  No matter what we have to hit consistently in drafts going forward - in all aspects - that is what has held this team down for a decade or more.

I like this guy. 

5 minutes ago, RumHam said:

most of this fanbase thinks we need about 12 receivers and that will fix bryce

I'm worried about fixing the offense no matter who is behind center. I would think all fans would want that. 

Just now, bythenbrs said:

The waiver wire may have more of an impact this year on how we tweak the roster.  There may be a starter or backup quality players cut from other teams.

That shouldn't be too hard. Most other teams backups were better than most of the starters on the Panthers.  Seriously. 

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

canales is going to play to Bryce's strengths.  Look for YAC guys, not deep burners.  They studied these QBs for 2 months last year and still missed it.  You had a 50% chance to get it right if you didn't research them at all.  I want Bryce to succeed, but damn, front office.  Damn, Tepper.  Is you stupid or somethin?

2 years according to Fitterer.  Which makes it even worse. 

4 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Life is meaningless

1 minute ago, jayboogieman said:

 

If they're dumb enough to not see the large hole at center, then this duo's tenure is not going to end well. The team's biggest need is a true center. Corbett will fail hard at center if he can even stay healthy. At this stage, Corbett is a high quality backup guard at best. If fans can see the need at center and Dan & Dave can't, they shouldn't have the jobs they've been given.

It would make me question that decision for sure. If they pass on one that falls in their lap it better be for someone well worth it.

24 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Sounds like you've already made up your mind about Bryce...

Not really. I'm just not going to dwell on it. My hope is that he will work out of course because it's better for everyone in the long run. But I'm not losing sleep over it if he doesn't. I couldn't care less that he was the 1st overall pick or that he must live up to that status according to some fans beliefs. I've seen this movie too many times to think that is what really matters. In the end it's a team game and 1 player does not make a team, even if it's a qb. That's what's gotten us in the shape we are now,  thinking they were a qb away. Nothing could have been further from the truth. They wasted so much draft capital chasing the one that they forgot to build up everything else.

11 minutes ago, top dawg said:

 

I mean, five wins doesn't mean that we didn't have a good off-season. It's all relative. 

I'm paying attention to what Bryce does for sure, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be looking at the team as a whole. Bryce is the captain of the ship for now, so we kinda have to focus on what he does or doesn't do, while simultaneously trying to compartmentalize and grade what the other players are doing as well. I think that's pretty much true every year, because teams need QBs at best to lift the team on their shoulders and win, or at worst not to be the reason the team doesn't win. That being said, you still have to build a team, irrespective of the QB. I feel that the Rams showed that building a team that a franchise QB can be dropped into and immediately win is possible, and I feel that San Fran has followed that same model, the Jets are trying to do the same, and that the Bears are doing something similar as well. 

We're so new and not yet established that it's going to take some time to construct and cement a culture. Within that same vein, I don't think there's one way to go about winning championships, but I do believe that the FOs that do it best have the finger on the pulse of its personnel at all times and develops a dynamic plan in order to put pieces together that will make winning championships more possible on a consistent basis. 

I'm kinda rambling now, but suffice it to say that all the pieces of the team are important, but some pieces are more important than others. You have to be able to project what the team can and can't do based upon the pieces that you do and don't have, and you must be able to see where some are limiting the team towards its goal, and others are pulling the team closer to its goal.

I agree about the importance of some positions over others. But you can only fix so many issues in one offseason. 

Due to the blunders made in the past we are stuck with what we have, for now. What was done is done and now we deal with it. QB will not be addressed this offseason. That will be addressed next year. I would venture to guess that WR will not be fully addressed this offseason as well. An attempt will be made to replace a few already on the roster but results may vary. Everything will depend on whose bpa when we pick. The other positions we will just have to see how it goes. 

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

We don't need him to be Cam. But we do need him to be more open as the top pick. The social media age in relation to sports is is all about visibility.

Certainly people are different and have different frames. I would have to differ from you on downplaying the significance of adding muscle however.

Now certainly we can get into the weeds on the discussion of physically gifted QB's going on to becoming busts. There are many many of them. The unfortunate conundrum for that in relation to Bryce Young is he does not have that built in physical advantage with which to compensate other lacking areas. He is an outlier among outliers in terms of his physical attributes. He is going to have to go the extra mile and frankly a few more after that minimum if he is going to become a franchise QB let alone an elite QB for several years.

I thought we were mostly over the durability discussion. It's not that big of a concern. Injuries can and will happen to any QB. Although. Again. We must acknowledge size wise he is very rare. He is the smallest starting QB in the league isn't he? With the right OL additions this is not something to be super concerned about generally. But it's going to remain a source of discussion particularly from other fans and teams as the season unfolds. People are going to point out how small he looks out there whether we like it or not. We knew we were going to hear about this for a long time when we made the decision to select him first overall. Just have to live with it.

I think you might want to avoid social media all together. It will rot your brain. 

Just now, rayzor said:

PKs always got it the worst.

I cannot speak to that but I will say that a preachers daughter can be a lot of fun. No offense to any preachers on here that has a daughter. 

16 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

You're not wrong. The desire to get a QB has been in the FO for years, but they've been idiots about it. Every single attempt failed.  Fitts gutted the rest of the team for nothing

That's the reality no one wants to accept. The painful truth is that if this team hopes to have any sustained success they will have to build the team through the draft. It will take them getting they right players over several offseasons to get this team anywhere near where they want to be. That's even if they can be successful in the draft. Then you have to know if the coaching staff are creative enough and can develop these players well enough to win a few games along the way. It's hard for me to see it going down any other way.

Just now, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

We need that franchise QB though. Otherwise, best case scenario we'll be that really good team that can't get over the hump 

And sitting around lamenting on it changes things how? The situation with take care of itself. Either he will or he won't.  End of story.  Now can we focus on the rest of the team? You know they are just as important right? We've spent the last 8 seasons worrying about just the qb position while the rest of the team dried up and went to crap. How did that work out? How about we try to fix what we can and let the rest work it's way to the forefront to be addressed next offseason.  This team is not winning much this season unless Canales and his crew turn out to be the next McVay or something. 

3 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Yeah, the only thing I'm really paying attention to is Bryce's development this coming year. Eeking out wins despite of him doesn't excite me. If he doesn't show traits of a franchise QB, move on. 

I really do not care so much about what Bryce does or doesn't do in the offseason.  I'm more focused on what the team as a whole does or doesn't do. Bryce is only one part of it and if he doesn't improve his game then he will not be starting. What's more important to me is what these coaches are able to do with the rest of the roster they are assembling. That's going to decide the future this group more so than one player. 

Just now, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

This is a 5-win team max. It's not Morgan's fault though

I tend to agree.  There's just too many issues to address in one offseason to expect anything better than that.

Water is wet. If one were paying attention with their eyes and not their feels then they would see that. 

Just now, rayzor said:

We'll be back to Ian Thomas.

Now that man is jacked. 

2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

One thing about these rankings is who decides them? I mean there's a consensus, but it's just media consensus, right? And by consensus, I mean kind of sort of consensus.

Like who decides who the best players are? Who ranks them? Who's ranking do we go by? Is it all some hype machine? (Yes, it is)

And when we shout "just drafy the BPA" who's list are we using?

Who decides who gets picked too early or falls below where they should have gotten drafted? Who decides where they should be drafted?

 

It's a conspiracy to convince you the sky is falling I tell ya. The next the you know dogs and cats will be fornicating with each other. 

57 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Now I know there are draftniks with connections who are getting fed stuff from insiders, but every bit of information is suspect. It all comes with an agenda and these draftniks are getting played, not that they are all that concerned because it gives them clicks. So I guess it's us who ultimately get played because we dig into this poo take it seriously thinking that we're educated.

This^. Mock Drafts are meaningless for predicting how the draft will fall. It's just a way to waste your time and ro play into the media hype machine.  

Get the list of top 5 players at each position coming out and hope your team gets as many of those players as they can. That's all you need to worry about.