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Houston has 12 draft picks in this draft and 10 next year, including 2 first rounders. While they have many needs, it is possible that they could take Anderson and then trade up with Arizona and still get them both.

His parents said, "Let's give him a name that will cause him to fight his way through school." Reminds me of a NASCAR driver named Dick Trickle. Who does that to a lad?

AR scares me--I see boom/bust all over him---but if we draft him, he's ours and we have to be all in. Good attitude.

Back to the original single play that seems to have influenced people to think that Young will not be able to perform under center due to his height--the hand off was high--if only he had been shorter....

https://www.google.com/

I really do not know--I just repeated about 10 minutes worth of googling like a parrot. I think I understand it on the surface..

If using the information from the chart I gave you, it basically states the following: CJ Stroud (-140) being drafted first overall--the implied odds give him a 58.33% chance Bryce Young (+110) being drafted first overall--the implied odds give him a 47.62% chance Just a few weeks ago, Fan Duel had Stroud's implied odds at 73.97% and Young's implied odds at 32.26%

I do not either---I THINK it is based on a bet of 100 dollars. If the odds were -150, if you bet $100, you would win $66.67 and get your $100 back. If the bet was +150, you would win $150 + your initial $100 investment ($250). This is a great site to teach the concept. It is how I understand it: https://www.oddsshark.com/tools/odds-calculator

Fan Duel has this a bit closer.

Might want to switch from Dove Skin Care to Quaker State in times like these.

You bring up a good point about Vegas. (Understand that I do not gamble so I have little knowledge of the meaning of odds--this is my perspective)----Vegas odds about public decision making--such as an election--are pretty accurate because the same group of people who are betting are influencing the outcome. However, the odds represent public opinion--and how the bets are going--not reflective of an anticipated outcome to be determined by a third party. Their job is to make money, not predict the future, in other words--the way I understand it. Is the public opinion wrong on this one? In this case, the people betting are not those influencing the outcome, but they are speculating on what the Panthers' front office will do. Sharp football Analysis says this: "Stroud (QB, Ohio State) is predicted to be drafted #1 in the 2023 NFL Draft, with a 77.78% implied probability (-350)" Basically more than 3 of 4 bettors are going with Stroud. Do I interpret that right? Not a gambler, so I am assuming that is what is meant here.

I can see a scenario where Tuttle rotates with Brown, Anderson, and Williams at DE and moves to NT on passing downs, with YGM moving to DE.

The reason he is slated to play DT is because the news release from David Newton of SI said, "The 6-foot-3, 300-pound Tuttle, who according to the team website is closer to 315 pounds, likely will play nose tackle for the Panthers, who are transitioning from a 4-3 to a 3-4 scheme." While it could very well be true, Tuttle is a bit smallish for a NT in a 3-4. When this was announced, they did not have Penisini. So even though not all players make the team, you still have to put them in the right place. I have heard no coach say that Tuttle was a NT, only David Newton, assuming that because we had signed Williams and the weight on the Panther website was listed at 315. I am not yet convinced that Tuttle is a NT because David Newton read the website--does he not have any more connections than that? He goes to the website and tells us what it says?

Does this suggest that Tuttle will not play Nose tackle for the Panthers? I mean, on the roster we have Penisini, McCall, Roy, and Tuttle slated to play 1 position (NT). We have Brown, Anderson, and Williams slated to play the 2 DE positions. Is it possible that the Panthers want to move Tuttle to DE and will let Penisini and McCall (Roy to PS?) handle the NT duties? I think that is the plan-

I can imagine how nervous the centers in the NFC South are right now--bet they are going to get the helmet eye protectors installed. I mean, you would too if you were going up against a nose tackle names penis in i (eye). OK--back to maturity. jokes over.

His PFF score in 2021 was 56 or so--I think we need a NT, so he will have a chance. I worry that his heart was not in it, which is why he retired at 24. However, sometimes you need a year to reflect and contemplate. I would say he has the potential to be a rotational guy at best-- Update--if he was playing injured, that explains it--could be a diamond in the rough.

I would not want those to be the first five letters of my last name because sometimes teammates shorten your last name as a nickname. Like Gronk, for example.

Didn't Jimmy C have #2 and Cam wanted it? AWKWARD!!! I do not blame Jimmy for not giving it up--regardless of who was going to start. Just a pride thing.

the article does say that the more a skill player runs etc. the more likely he is to be injured. In this case, Young was not performing as a QB, he was running and he fell wrong--probably because he is not a RB and does not know how to "drop and roll". Extending the play put him in an awkward position. As a Panther, I would limit his running and teach him to slide. If he ran all the time like a rb, it is probable that he would never have extended his right arm to break the fall like that--his own weight caused the injury--by the way, not some 300 lb DL.

I started this thread because I think it is central to what we should be discussing in relation to our concerns. I am seeing good stuff from both sides--I blame Bryce Young's parents for this.

Sorta illustrates the point. Is this good news (he is resilient and overcomes them easily or that he is good at reacting in a way to minimize the extent of the injury?) It is a concern. Actually, Stroud had some shoulder concerns (more serious) as well: Stroud's Shoulder injury https://www.cleveland.com/buckeye-talk-podcast/2021/11/ohio-state-footballs-cj-stroud-reveals-the-severity-of-his-right-shoulder-injury-to-start-the-season.html AR Shoulder Injury Here is one about Richardson, albeit his left shoulder--but it also mentions hamstrings, etc. which supports the assumption based on the research that running QBs are more susceptible to injury: https://www.on3.com/college/florida-gators/news/injured-anthony-richardson-update-hamstring-neck-shoulder-florida-tennessee-rivalry/ Levis' Shoulder Injury And there is this, about Levis: "Kentucky QB Will Levis plans extensive treatment during Wildcats’ bye week-- UK QB Will Levis knows he needs extra time in the training room during the Wildcats' bye week after foot and shoulder injuries." Read more at: https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article267379242.html#storylink=cpy And not the injury we associate with Hendon Hooker, but he too suffered from a shoulder injury: Hendon Hooker suffers apparent shoulder injury late in first half Keith Farner | 7 months ago "Hendon Hooker suffered an apparent right shoulder injury late in the first half against Florida as the Tennessee quarterback struggled early on." IT HAPPENS to ALL QBs.

Perhaps the best measure of a coaching staff is their ability to prepare the bottom of the roster to challenge for a role as soon as possible. I really liked the approach on day 3 last year--get the best athletes or the player with the most versatility. Smith, Barno, and Mays were awesome choices.

I get the feeling that Barno and Brandon Smith will benefit from the coaching as much as the new defensive alignment. Good point. I also like McCall, but I would not play him more than 25 snaps or so per game. I have never been a fan of Roy--but I am biased against anyone who is here because Rhule coached him. Do I see Tuttle stepping in as a NT? Not really. Brown would make more sense, especially in goal line situations.

We can talk about physics and science and it makes sense, but what applies to Young applies to all. Most NFL injuries are to joints, and the primary injury to QBs is a shoulder injury. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5825334/ While Bryce Young in a head on collusion with Aaron Donald is likely to lose miserably, the padding and protection is likely to prevent a long-term injury. Worst case scenario? A concussion. Best case? Wind knocked out. Most injuries occur when the player is going through a range of motion, such as a RB cutting back (knee) or a QB getting hit while throwing (shoulder). So in that situation, does the size of the person applying the impact matter? You are all right--Bryce vs. Donald = a Donald victory and possible KO for the QB--maybe a few rib issues. But in the performance of QB duties and the motion it takes to play the position, is he more vulnerable than anyone else?

I think of Bryce this way---remember Luke Kuechly. He was a very good athlete (surprising people at the combine) but others were similar to him. He was 6-3, 235---not huge for a 4-3 MLB by any means. Other great athletes of similar size were drafted in 2012 but he and Bobby Wagner became the best. They were/are both very intelligent players, and MLB is the QB of the defense--that is how important Luke was to us--Bobby was/is to Seattle. My Point? While Bryce Young is very small for an NFL QB, the thing that sets him apart is his ability to process and see the field better than the rest. That makes him more capable of making everyone around him better. Is that worth the risk of taking a 5-10, 200 lb QB? That is the decision that must be made, but I want my leaders--on offense and defense--to be very smart. Nothing against Stroud or Richardson or Levis or Herndon--but the special QBs in NFL history, for the most part, were the smartest players on the field. Manning, Brady, Montana, Mahomes, etc.