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10 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Even if BC isn't able to be a great guard I'm not sure i still pass on a LT that I think can be great just to keep a LT that is solid.

I get what you are saying about wasting resources but OT is one place I don't mind "wasting" a little.  It would just be hard for me to pass on a guy that I think can be a top flight LT if my current guy might top out at above average.

I almost value my OT3 as much or more than some of my starters.  How many times does someone get hurt, or they become a free agent.  Tackles are so expensive and so hard to find, especially ones that can play on the left.

How many times has a team gone into a big game and had a tackle hurt and it actually cost them? it seems to happen alot

Like you said if Rhule would have played him more this would be an easier question to answer.

 

Yeah, a little PT for Brown and Christensen would have made the offseason a bit less speculative.

33 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

or you draft the LT and you might end up with a good LT, good LG (BC), and good RT and you find an average center elsewhere.

 

 

I did think of that and it is an option.  One thing bothers me:  Why could BC not win a starting job over Jordan or Miller?  If he was a better G than T and he is playing admirably at T, why would Rhule stay with 2 bottom feeders at G?

The SOS can fluctuate--I wonder if Ellis factored that into his prognosis?  For example, the Jets SOS is .515 and the Panthers is .507--a difference of .008.  Is it not possible for the Jets' SOS to drop and the Panthers' SOS to increase during week 18?  The Jets could then win and the Panthers then lose and the Jets would not drop below the Panthers. 

I guess I am not sure how much these SOS numbers can fluctuate during the final week of the season.

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

To be a playoff team in the NFL you need more than a serviceable LT.  Not saying BC is or isnt but take a look at the playoff teams year in and out and they have above average tackles.  Its damn criminal that we are only going to have 3ish games worth of film on BC.  But again to me he didnt even look average vs TB and NO.  Lots of pressures against bullrushes and his feet got tangled up against speed rushers.

 

If it was me I would just pretend BC was on the team and continue to build from there.  He he works out as guard so be it.  If not he can be a backup and someone that can fill in for injuries.  I wish he would have been starting from game 7or so but it is what it is.

It seems the matter could be more clear and this debate more resolved if Rhule had just played BC--I mean, --M. Jordan was starting over him at left G, so I do not buy Rhule's statement--"BC is a starter, we just do not know exactly where yet--let me talk to my OL coach."  (I was amazed by that response).  So we are left to make assumptions.  You do need a good LT in the NFL, and I am saying that BC--after an offseason of film study weight training--could be a solid LT. P. Sewell in Detroit was moved to RT and struggled for 6 games before the light came on.  We have not given BC that much time at LEFT tackle.  So if Rhule won't play BC over M Jordan or Miller, how can anyone say that he is a starting Guard? 

As soon as this team was eliminated, a secure coach would have immediately benched underperformers (Miller, Jordan) and played the rookies (Brown, BC).  Rhule did not for some unknown reason.  If they are not good enough to replace Miller and Jordan, they probably are not the future Gs.

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I am not passing on the one of the top 2 Left tackles in this draft because a 25 year old rookie looks "promising" (which is debatable I guess) in a couple of games.   And to be perfectly honest I thought he looked totally overwhelmed against TB and NO. 

Remember, the last sure thing LT who was drafted by the Lions in 2021 --Sewell-- was moved to RT and struggled for the Lions first six games.  Since then, he has been the second highest rated OT in the NFL, with an 86.6 rating.   BC has averaged about 70 and is still in his first six games--and he was obviously a third rounder.  BC is a better athlete than Sewell, based on combine numbers.  So you say, "Sit him and bring in a rookie to play LT!" before he has had the chance to learn the position?  Furthermore, he has been playing beside a LG for 2 games who is very poor week after week.  If BC has another solid outing vs. TB, I say any decision to move him inside is premature.  Spending nearly all of our draft capital on LT when we might just have a good one on the roster ignores other needs.  To me, trade back and grab Tyler Linderbaum--now you have a solid C, serviceable LT, good RT, and all you need in free agency is a guard or two.

About Brady:  A lot of first round, starting left tackles in the NFL struggled their first year.  BC has been at G for most of this season because Rhule sees a T-Rex when he looks at him. 

Brady has excellent athleticism (check out his pro-day/combine) and has shown promise.

He is so scrutinized, he can't even have a bad day--and he was playing beside Jordan, who might  be one of the dumbest olinemen I have ever seen (excluding Silatolu), based on his head movement (confusion), his lack of certainty in his movement, and his blown assignments on stunts.  That puts the LT on a bigger island-and BC has done well.

I have not seen enough of BC to crown him the LT, but when he plays T, the bookends are not the problem--the Saints attacked A and B gap all day.  They know us better than we know us.

special teams are important.  Good signing.

About drafting Tyler Lindebaum at #6--a 289 lb center (yes, he is a beast).  I can't get on board with drafting a center in the top 10. The first rounder is all the draft capital we have--it has to work for us.  There seems to be a dropoff around the 16th pick--trade back to the middle of the round and take the best OL available. Lindebaum, Cross, that T/G from NC State--one will be there.  The only OL I want at #6 is Neal.  The others?  I am trading back and getting one later in the round in addition to a second rounder.

4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Why do ppl think fug8ng vegas is some spot light situation?? Unless you're vacationing out there that place sucks to live at.. And that team is just as irrelevant as us.  Carolina better weather, better place to raise a family, way better cost of living,  And our owners has way more money then the Davis's..

Better schools, perhaps.

There are stars on the jerseys.  Commanders, Presidents, Generals---something like that.  I am going with Commanders.

The good news?  Rhule admitted that we need to "invest" in the OL. 

In college, a bad line is not as "catastrophic" as they are in the NFL. 

I still think Rhule is gone by Tuesday of next week.  Just a hunch.

Baker needs to stick to commercials and let the big boys play QB.

7 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

The Panthers cannot go wrong if they select one of the three top rated tackle prospects or the Iowa Center,Linderbaum, a franchise type player at that position.

 IOL TYLER LINDERBAUM, IOWA

The best center prospect we’ve seen in the PFF College era. He was already the highest-graded center in the country in 2020, but he has taken his game to new heights in 2021, earning a 95.3 overall grade.

He is a beast.

You have to think of it this way:  What can we get in free agency?  What can we NOT get in free agency?

11 hours ago, T-Wazzle said:

I can't say why exactly but I  feel hesitant about going overboard to bring Reddick back.

Luvu played well in his absence, but I think a lot of this will be his decision--why would he want to stay?

15 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Oh, I agree...I just don't want Rhule to scratch his QB itch.  I've already mentioned moving back to #9 if Ron is willing to deal, but only if none of the LTs haven't been taken yet by #6.

If they think BC can play LT--and there are no signs that is the case--they will go after guards in free agency.  If so, the Panthers-picking around #6, will have no choice but to take a QB. 

Personally, I would like to know what BC can do as a LG and then draft the LT--but there are no answers (right now) at QB.  Do the Panthers bring in another pricey free agent (Bridgewater, Darnold, Newton) who can't play or do they gamble on a rookie?  I think you build the line, but Darnold is done, Newton is probably gone, and we have nothing on the pine.

14 hours ago, Basbear said:

In most recent drafts, nearly all teams have 16-18 first round grades. If thats the deal this year, yes I do that trade. It does heavily depend on the draft board and where the talent gaps are. And what type of talent will be at 13 and 45(like OT? DE? or Safety(eww) etc etc)

Panthers need more than one hero form this draft, just the facts. 4th-7th round heros are very rare...

 

The other side is if,if,if,if,if,fiififififiiffifii Neal is there at 6.......how can you NOT draft him??? Id need more draft capital than 2nd to pass, but I can be had.....

I think a lot has to do with Christensen's game vs. Tampa Bay. If he has another solid outing, they will probably pencil him in as the 2022 starter.  Elflein will be on year 2 of the 3 year deal (thanks Fitterer) and he has been serviceable as the C and would be better with better guards beside him.  If BC plays well Sunday, we could be in the free agent market for a pair of guards.

If we do not address QB in free agency (and I do not see us doing so based on Bridgewater, Newton, Darnold), you HAVE to take a QB with the sixth overall pick.  Nobody is going to throw 2022 away in order to wait a year to draft a QB.  They will look for answers now.  If Pickett is there, with his experience and success in 2021, they might have to take him.  Yes, you'd prefer Neal, Cross, or Linderbaum, but BC played well enough to cause them to decide QB is the biggest need and try to address it. 

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

He basically has been lobbying for why he should get a 3rd year and lying through his teeth about some things.  
 

maybe he will be back but I doubt Tepper has said so. 

You are right that he has not been talking to the media like a man who has been given Tepper's blessing---

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Given how Matt Rhule has talked the last 2 weeks.  There is no way he has been told he is coming back yet and not to worry. 

Right?  I think he is done.

If Rhule was indeed secure about his job and the future in Carolina, wouldn't he have played Brown, BC, Nixon, Haskins, etc. more once we were eliminated?  I would if I were a coach worried about the inexperience of my team's youth.

There are a few things wrong with Rhule's comment. 

1) He should play Brown---REGARDLESS (How many sacks and missed blocks from #67 passes your limit, Rhule?) 

2) If he has been trying all options on the OL to fix it and considering various schemes, etc., why would he have to ask the coach?

19 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Stay put and get a sure thing at LT. 

If Neal is there, I am all in.  I am looking into Cross right now--if he is legit, we are very fortunate.  Once we get 2 bookend OTs, the rest (Christensen, Brown, etc. and some free agent OL would solidify the OL.

I would not mind seeing Mariota brought in on a 1-year prove it deal.

We can  win and it may not change our pick/

oh yeah?  Watch Rhule's feet.

I will be here all week.  Try the veal.

Sharing this on another thread--better here.