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2 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I just think Cmac is too important to any QB we have. 

Be it young guy, Sam, Cam or any vet.

His pass blocking, football knowledge that combine with what he can do with the ball makes him a key piece for me.

Good thread--makes people think. 

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah rolling with Sam again is just throwing away a season. Drafting one next year will still probably need a year to develop (so 3 years away from making any noise). I’m ok with a Mariotta (been mentioned a few times) coming in to compete with Sam and Cam as our jumbo package/3rd string providing we draft and sign OL like there is no tomorrow. 

Mariota and Trubiski are free agents, which means they would cost us nothing in terms of draft capital or players in a trade.  I still think we will pursue Watson, and we could go after Garappalo--but both will cost a lot.  On the other hand, we could refrain from re-signing expensive veteran CBs, roll with CJ, Horn, Taylor, etc. and sign linemen.  Trade back (if we can) in the draft and add a second rounder.  Draft a LT (that kid from NC State is my favorite LT candidate right now because he is a manchild and has so much upside) and maybe a QB.

4 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I mean maybe. 

I don't think we are that far away if we had a competent staff.

I see your point, but Gilmore is 32 or so and will be done by the time we get good, and DJax has spent more time on IR than on the active roster. 

Agree with you about the staff--but there is going to be an overhaul when we get a new coach in here--so I don't know. 

I would trade Burns and CMC right now--but not to give Rhule leverage in the draft.

And about QB---if you do not have a QB, you are developing one.  You don't just ignore the position for a season with the hope of drafting one.  We will make a move for a QB of some sort--beyond bringing Cam back to play wildcat QB

How many games have DJax and Gilmore played over the past few years? Can we roll out with Henderson, Horn, Taylor and save that $$$ if we are rebuilding anyway?  Yes.  With Thomas Oliver and Pride behind them, we could get by for a season with all first-contract CBs.  If you consider Hartsfield as the Nickel, I think Bouye, Gilmore, and Jax--all wounded warriors--are expensive to keep.

( I had not read CRA's post before this--same basic page)

Ekwonu will go higher than most think--I am guessing top 10-15.

And the trade back is not #6 for #45 and #74--for example---it is a #6 for #13 and #45.  Move back from #13 to #18 after that and it would require #74.  That is what the trade chart suggests

I think that the interior line is where most of the bleeding is occurring--I see Linderbaum if we trade back.  I also like Smith (G, Va Tech) in this draft--both could start.  I think Ruckert is a hidden gem because he was not targeted often in that OSU offense with those three stud WRs...Nelson that late as T depth to challenge Christensen is a nice pick.  He was ranked as a potential first rounder early in the season; not sure what happened.

On 1/5/2022 at 6:10 PM, mrcompletely11 said:

He didnt last year

He has stated that he would do it--and he entertained a trade offer last year.  Not sure that the fact that he didn't get a good offer justifies a statement that infers he will not trade back in the first round---I think he does move back this year and would probably bet on it.

11 hours ago, bobcat91 said:

Sorry, but Brady is not a long term answer at LT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Probably not, most are not.  But you have seen a few games and he was decent--while it takes rookies a while to develop.  Pretty premature assessment, if you ask me.

We tend to throw away players if they do not make that big splash.  A third rounder who has been practicing at G is moved to LT and does fairly well.  You are ready to move on after what, three/four games? 

Our glaring weakness is the IOL. Do you think BC is a G?  If so, what is that decision based on? 

Not challenging your opinion (even though this was not stated as such), but I want to know what you have heard/see that impacts your opinions.  In my mind, there is reason to be cautiously optimistic about BC at T.

I wonder what the reaction would be if the Panthers brought Rex in for an interview---I never really took him seriously as a coach, but when I hear him speak, I am usually enlightened.

Yes, we need an OL.  Does that mean the only place to find OL help is the draft?

Yes, we need a QB.  Unless we give away our first rounders for 3 years, we are not going to get a good one in free agency--which means the draft--one way or another--is going to produce our next QB.

If I thought the OL was Darnold's only major problem, I would be all in on going OL and sitting still at QB.  But he can't read defenses--he holds the ball too long---and he is quick to turn his attention from the checkdowns to the DL rushing him.  We get blitzed a lot up the gut because the league knows Darnold will be distracted by them. That is why our Guards rate so low--they are being tested the entire game.

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He didnt last year

Are you telling me that Fitterer did not trade back last year?

10 hours ago, CRA said:

I have zero interest in watching our GM trade down all of the 2022 draft simply because he traded away our 22 draft picks. 

I could see him trying to trade this year's first and the 2023 and 2024 first rounders for Watson, address the OL in free agency, and we basically draft on day 3 this April.  I hope not--but I would not be surprised

1 hour ago, joemac said:

Can anybody show me 1 single instance of people catching the coof at a football game at all this year?

 Damn all this science.

21 hours ago, Basbear said:

 

 

I think they want to trade down, if not a few times and get a few of those 2s and 3s rather than one one. 

Fitterer will do it.

we can't go defense in round 1 again, but he is a good player.

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't even want Matt Rhule picking the punter.

In fairness to Rhule, nobody saw the long snapper acquisition coming.  Then Boom--our practice squad has a long snapper.

late with this joke

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

You just named 1 Olinemen.. Who were the rest??

Your counting has improved.  Now work on the Google skills.

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Yes let's name the 1 example where that worked out. By the same reasoning let's draft a 6th round QB and hope we get Tom Brady...

So you use one example twice to defend your point but you attack a counter example that features one example while falsely stating that it is the only example where "that worked out."  You have a dizzying intellect.

I once took it.  I wondered, licked it, and didn't feel like I scored.

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

If you don't agree that's cool keep it pushing then. It isn't my fault these decision makers folks here previously fawned over thought it was a good idea to go all defense one draft then corner the first pick on the next and then proceed to stockpile more corners. We have to take a qb this year or next regardless of the oline. Direct your ire where it belongs.

I get your point.  If you state what you think the team might do and get attacked--there is obviously some confusion surrounding the points of view.  I see this a lot.  I think the Panthers will take a QB but I would rather see a different strategy.

5 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I pray to sweet baby Jesus every night that he is fired 

 

Personally, I think we will try to build the OL in free agency and we will take Pickett.  Not sure how I feel about it.