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4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Why do ppl think fug8ng vegas is some spot light situation?? Unless you're vacationing out there that place sucks to live at.. And that team is just as irrelevant as us.  Carolina better weather, better place to raise a family, way better cost of living,  And our owners has way more money then the Davis's..

Better schools, perhaps.

There are stars on the jerseys.  Commanders, Presidents, Generals---something like that.  I am going with Commanders.

The good news?  Rhule admitted that we need to "invest" in the OL. 

In college, a bad line is not as "catastrophic" as they are in the NFL. 

I still think Rhule is gone by Tuesday of next week.  Just a hunch.

Baker needs to stick to commercials and let the big boys play QB.

7 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

The Panthers cannot go wrong if they select one of the three top rated tackle prospects or the Iowa Center,Linderbaum, a franchise type player at that position.

 IOL TYLER LINDERBAUM, IOWA

The best center prospect we’ve seen in the PFF College era. He was already the highest-graded center in the country in 2020, but he has taken his game to new heights in 2021, earning a 95.3 overall grade.

He is a beast.

You have to think of it this way:  What can we get in free agency?  What can we NOT get in free agency?

11 hours ago, T-Wazzle said:

I can't say why exactly but I  feel hesitant about going overboard to bring Reddick back.

Luvu played well in his absence, but I think a lot of this will be his decision--why would he want to stay?

15 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Oh, I agree...I just don't want Rhule to scratch his QB itch.  I've already mentioned moving back to #9 if Ron is willing to deal, but only if none of the LTs haven't been taken yet by #6.

If they think BC can play LT--and there are no signs that is the case--they will go after guards in free agency.  If so, the Panthers-picking around #6, will have no choice but to take a QB. 

Personally, I would like to know what BC can do as a LG and then draft the LT--but there are no answers (right now) at QB.  Do the Panthers bring in another pricey free agent (Bridgewater, Darnold, Newton) who can't play or do they gamble on a rookie?  I think you build the line, but Darnold is done, Newton is probably gone, and we have nothing on the pine.

14 hours ago, Basbear said:

In most recent drafts, nearly all teams have 16-18 first round grades. If thats the deal this year, yes I do that trade. It does heavily depend on the draft board and where the talent gaps are. And what type of talent will be at 13 and 45(like OT? DE? or Safety(eww) etc etc)

Panthers need more than one hero form this draft, just the facts. 4th-7th round heros are very rare...

 

The other side is if,if,if,if,if,fiififififiiffifii Neal is there at 6.......how can you NOT draft him??? Id need more draft capital than 2nd to pass, but I can be had.....

I think a lot has to do with Christensen's game vs. Tampa Bay. If he has another solid outing, they will probably pencil him in as the 2022 starter.  Elflein will be on year 2 of the 3 year deal (thanks Fitterer) and he has been serviceable as the C and would be better with better guards beside him.  If BC plays well Sunday, we could be in the free agent market for a pair of guards.

If we do not address QB in free agency (and I do not see us doing so based on Bridgewater, Newton, Darnold), you HAVE to take a QB with the sixth overall pick.  Nobody is going to throw 2022 away in order to wait a year to draft a QB.  They will look for answers now.  If Pickett is there, with his experience and success in 2021, they might have to take him.  Yes, you'd prefer Neal, Cross, or Linderbaum, but BC played well enough to cause them to decide QB is the biggest need and try to address it. 

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

He basically has been lobbying for why he should get a 3rd year and lying through his teeth about some things.  
 

maybe he will be back but I doubt Tepper has said so. 

You are right that he has not been talking to the media like a man who has been given Tepper's blessing---

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Given how Matt Rhule has talked the last 2 weeks.  There is no way he has been told he is coming back yet and not to worry. 

Right?  I think he is done.

If Rhule was indeed secure about his job and the future in Carolina, wouldn't he have played Brown, BC, Nixon, Haskins, etc. more once we were eliminated?  I would if I were a coach worried about the inexperience of my team's youth.

There are a few things wrong with Rhule's comment. 

1) He should play Brown---REGARDLESS (How many sacks and missed blocks from #67 passes your limit, Rhule?) 

2) If he has been trying all options on the OL to fix it and considering various schemes, etc., why would he have to ask the coach?

19 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Stay put and get a sure thing at LT. 

If Neal is there, I am all in.  I am looking into Cross right now--if he is legit, we are very fortunate.  Once we get 2 bookend OTs, the rest (Christensen, Brown, etc. and some free agent OL would solidify the OL.

I would not mind seeing Mariota brought in on a 1-year prove it deal.

We can  win and it may not change our pick/

oh yeah?  Watch Rhule's feet.

I will be here all week.  Try the veal.

Sharing this on another thread--better here.

It seems that the Panthers are likely to be picking at #6, with the slight possibility that there is potential fluctuation that could have them ranging from about 5 to 8--but #6 seems rather probable.  More likely if we lose, very possible if we win.

The draft trade value chart has the #6 pick at 1600 points.  Some say take the BPA, others say trade down and add a second rounder.

For your information, the #13 pick (1150) should also have the #45 pick (450). 

What would you do?

3 minutes ago, trueblade said:

Tampa could fall as far as the 4th seed with a loss to the Panthers:

So if LA loses, Tampa Loses, Dallas wins---then Tampa would be in a 3-way situation and the head-to-head would be invalid.  TY-

TAMPA BAY MOTIVATION FOR WINNING SUNDAY:

I think we should include the motivation for Tampa Bay to play its starters to assure that some team with a SOS like the Seahawks do not mathematically push the Panthers to #7 in the draft.  This is the way I see it, based on tie-breaking rules:

A Rams win vs. SF would lock up the #2 seed for LA because they beat Tampa Bay during the regular season.  The Rams-Niners and Bucs-Panthers play at 4:25.

A Dallas win and Bucs loss would not impact the Bucs' standing because they beat Dallas week 1.   So the Dallas game is not a factor for Tampa Bay. 

If Arizona wins vs. Seattle, the Rams lose to San Francisco, and Tampa Loses to the mighty Panthers, the Cardinals would earn the #2 seed, based on a their record within the conference.  The Bucs would get the #3 seed, Rams would get #5.

So a Tampa Bay win and Rams' loss is their only chance at the #2 seed, and if they lose, they are no worse than the #3 seed.  I imagine there will be some scoreboard watching, but I expect to see at least a half with the Tampa Bay starters.

The Rams are playing the Niners, who need this win to make the playoffs if New Orleans beats Atlanta. 

5 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I guess, my bigger worry is if we somehow peg BC as our LT and don’t draft one of the top 3 in this draft.

I get that--there is not enough there to crown him, but most of the problems we are having are coming from A and B gap.

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Experience? He’s a 25 year old LT who played LT at BYU. Are you saying that stunts and blitzing DBs don’t happen until the NFL? I’m not trying to bash him since he’s barely played but how many times will he give up the play before he gets it right? Also, from my perspective, he wasn’t close to picking up the DB. His only movement was his head moving, which worries me that even if he recognizes it he’s already lost once he starts his inside move due to the stunt.

His age is a concern, but all rookies have college experience when they are called inexperienced.  A QB has seen zone, Man, cover 2, 3, etc. but the game has to slow down for that young QB before he succeeds--and he saw it in college.  The blitz and stunt schemes these pros run blows away anything he saw at BYU---and he was a third rounder, so he did not dominate in college.  And finally, in college he never had to play beside Mike Jordan.

13 minutes ago, Killah_Ray said:

Aren’t we pretty much guaranteed the 6th pick in the draft now regardless of outcome?  If so, we can win this and I don’t care since I think we’re keeping Rhule win or lose anyway. 

If the SOS does not change enough to move a six-win team ahead of us...

27 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

Pavlov's dog's come to mine.  You shock them enough they'll jump at anything.

Pavlov simply rang a bell when they were about to eat.  Then the bell caused them to salivate with no food--so this is a good example.  Imagine a bell ringing every time Sam got sacked.  Now ring the bell when the ball is snapped and there is no pressure.

Preliminary report: 

He had more hurries than any other OL, but he was tested more with stunts.  I saw him lose his feet and fall once, similar to a few prior games.  On a few plays his routine block went inside and BC followed him too long, making him late to pick up a blitzing DB--but that is experience, not a lack of skill.  He was not the liability he could have been, and the other side of the OL struggled more.