MHS831

45 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, but there is ample evidence that exists currently in the NFL and historically that if you have a talented or moderately talented team then one of the biggest upgrades you can make is at QB. It yields the biggest returns.

I don't think even Prime Greg Olsen is going to make Bryce suddenly look like a stud QB. We have invested immense amounts of money on the OL and tremendous amounts of draft resources on WR's. And have added an additional extremely capable RB.

At some point, the main problem is Bryce. We are at that point. 

That being said, we don't need to go "Full Bryce" again and sell the farm to upgrade at QB. Be intelligent and patient. Try to get better by whatever means become available WHILE continuing to make the roster better. At the bare minimum, you slowly build an upper half of the NFL talented roster that is at least a potential draw for some free agent QB's.

IMO, Bryce is clearly not the answer. I don't think anyone in our organization thinks that way but if they do, it's not the end of the world. Throw as many reasonable darts as you can through free agency and the draft until either you get a bullseye or a top 10-15 option becomes available in free agency.

Hey, brother, I agree with you.  I am just reading tea leaves and reacting to what they are likely to do.  I think we should be in the market until we have a top 10 QB.  Full stop.  However, since they seem hell bent on turning their hamster into a stallion, (and we have to consider Tepper's ego is in play here) I am starting from that position,  98.3% of the time, you and I are on the same page.  Seek help. 

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

They believe Bryce is "ascending" per reports.

We'll find out if they're right or not.

I think the best way to make Bryce better is to make everyone around him better.  This is why I advocate for a stud (top 5, eventually) TE.  I mean, when we have been a good franchise, we have had a stud TE (Walls, Olsen) and ILB (Beason, Mills, Morgan, Luke, etc) so it is in our DNA.  Expect us to address these areas this year.  (An Olsen or Walls would help Bryce a lot).  In terms of productivity, I think we are going to work with XL for one more season and ride the TMac / Coker momentum.  Where else could we find a position to improve productivity?  TE.  A position that caters to Bryce's style and shortcomings, a stud TE gives him another weapon he has not had.

The Panthers run a lot of 2-TE sets (I have seen 3) and they have a blocker (Tremble) who is great in the run game, a balanced TE (Evans), and Sanders is supposed to be the pass-catching TE. He had 340 yards last season and he has about 170 this year.  If we are going to play around with XL for another season, it only makes up to add to Bryce's weapons in a way that does not put XL on the bench, basically ending his development. It makes sense to bring in a pass-catching dawg.  The way the offense is designed, I see carrying 4, but its not ideal.

Having said that, I mentioned Oregon's Sadiq in another thread, but I am starting to warm up to Vanderbilt's Stowers and, in the Olsen/Walls mold, I kinda like Endries from Texas.  Of course, Stowers is probably going in round 2 and Endries in 3 or later.

I still say, 5 months before the draft, that I would not be surprised if we take a TE very early.

The more experience you get in college the better your chances at the next level--(See, Nix, Bo; Richardson, Anthony).

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

This past draft was stacked with the type of playmaking TE's we have been searching for, ironically. A fair amount of which have been making impacts this season.

I am not sure we'd pass up an edge or LB for a playmaking TE, but this year-the cards could fall that way.  I said "I would not be surprised if..." and then Mr Scot tried to pin me down on it--can't trust him--married a Cowboy fan.  I digress.  I do think Bryce would benefit from him.  I want a #2 WR-with Coker as our Adam Theilen II--but this suggests we are still waiting for the XL light to flicker on. 

Evans has been impressive, and Tremble is not getting the credit he deserves as a blocker.  

I still want a QB who can be developed as we give Bryce another year.

7 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce Young absolutely could not demand top QB money. There is no friggin way he'd go into Dan's office asking to be paid like Mahomes. I'm not even worried about that. Thinking 30-35 if they extended him now. But I would not do that now. He'll play next year after thay pick up his 5th year option. He's not delusional. 

I think the same thing, but then I see that Dak Prescott makes $60m.  That is crazy.  A reasonable deal could have allowed Jones to keep Parsons, imo.  

I also think this is a good year to draft a QB later in the draft to see if he can develop while the Bryce experiment drags on..

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You sure about that?

Remember that Huddler who said, "Take the Rams and give the 10 points--bet everything you own on it?"  I am that certain.

15 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

This article also suggests that the Panthers are OK with the Edge situation. That implies that Scourton and Princely are expected to step up in 2026.

I was wrong about this--did not see the OLB mention.  I still think we will target TE Sardiq from Oregon.  TE as a weapon is our biggest weakness on offense, IMO.

About TE--we played 3 TEs (blocking, mostly) at times Sunday.  We don't have the playmaker.  I would NOT BE SURPRISED to see us draft Oregon's SADIQ in round 1.  Heard it here first.  He is the only offensive weapon (a threat) and that is a trend in the NFL--Bowers, Kittle, LaPorta, etc.  A play-making TE is PERFECT for Bryce, to be honest.

It sure seems as if we are staying with Bryce.  Giving him weapons and protection.  The formula--if you like him or not, is to have a great run game, great OL, great receivers.  Bryce has benefited from RAC from his swing passes, fwiw.

20 hours ago, Moonraker said:

We draft a lot of TE's

Interesting comment, because i think they expected Sanders to become that big play WR-type.  But we have drafted a lot of TEs, but we have yet to make a significance investment in a playmaking TE.  I can say that we have been using some 3 TE sets and Evans and Tremble looked solid as blockers.  Unfortunately, this draft only has one or two who would upgrade our group.  In fact, I might suggest that only Oregon's Sadiq fills that prescription.  I think we could add a free agent. 

I expect this would give Bryce another option since he checks down so much--a mid-range target.  I think Sadiq could improve the offense more than a first round WR.

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This article also suggests that the Panthers are OK with the Edge situation. That implies that Scourton and Princely are expected to step up in 2026.

1 hour ago, chknwing said:

 

Sims is wrong a lot.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not a big Sellers fan.

He has lost a lot of stock value this year--was it the supporting cast or the player?  

Cuhran did not play well last week when I watched / noticed.  However, He does not cost us over $1m per game either.  He has been solid up until then-not sure how he graded vs the Rams, but I would bet "not great."  (just checked--a 56.3--not horrible).

I think Bryce is going to be brought back, but I also think it is a good year to draft a QB in the middle rounds who might fall.  There are some who were once thought to be first rounders and who are suddenly 2nd or 3rd rounders.  One example is Sellers who is supposedly falling into the late first--if he continues to drop, we'd be stupid not to move up into the early second and take him--imo.  He is Cam Lite, if you ask me.  Of course, as the draft gets closer, there will be premiums put on QBs.  We can already put Simpson, Moore, Mendoza in the top 5 or so, imo, the next tier is where the QB value is going to be

you have to pay him.  He is from Charlotte, so that may count for something.

He got a lot of yards after the catch Sunday, and the running game was solid. He managed the game and made 2-3 plays.

4 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

$250 Colts -3

$500 Bucs -3.5

$250 Dolphins -5

$250 Over 35.5 49ers
 

yes and the Panther L I got hammered 1st half of Sunday

I started a thread that sang RG Curhan's praised just before the game.  He got his lunch eaten all day...

I would take Lion's passing coordinator David Shaw if I could get him

I am going to turn my 401K over to you...I just feel right about it.

Just now, VintagePanther said:

I love Coke . He has that it factor 

He is my favorite Panther. I was begging for him when he was at Holy Cross.  Spoke to his dad on FB a few times.   

Just now, Greatman77 said:

What a game Coker has had!

we are 20 seconds behind you--I had no idea what you were talking about.

lets get really predictable sit on a 3 point lead with Stafford on the other sideline with 2 minutes.

way to go Bench.  After a big play how does that happen?  act like you have won before

Even Bryce can't screw thi.....retracted

Derrick Brown!!!

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