MHS831

2 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

I will say the tackling overall was improved compared to years past as well, the secondary was tons better, and I loved that we finally seemed aggressive and played with that smashmouth-style we had been missing for years.  But, it is obvious we had some holes, and having no edge rush was a pretty gigantic one.  But it’s also interesting because I just shared a clip of Princely where they asked him about there being no edge rush and he said, “it’s not because we don’t have the players.”  And it sounded like he felt we didn’t need to bring anyone in.  He also said he didn’t get enough opportunities.  So it could be ego talking, but it definitely sounded like he was implying our scheme/strategy is the reason there was no edge rush.

I wish I understood it better, but we focused nearly 100% of resources on offense entering 2025, and we sucked on D--worst ever.  I did not expect to be above average this year.  I don't think we have seen the system with the right personnel, and if Evero is given his pass rush and maybe a good LB, we might see it differently.  Glass half full.

4 hours ago, X-Clown said:

He was talking about Isaiah bond over Jimmy horn jr

I caught it later, but I was flashing back--in the zone.

2 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

So are we going to give him a big contract now? Honestly I wouldn’t. We could let him go and just sign a LT in FA for the same amount of money or draft a LT. I’m fine with BC or Nijman at LT next year honestly. 
 

With chances of the player making a full recovery or even being close to the same player as before being low, I honestly am fine with letting him go. Maybe take a 1 year deal next year for the cheap to see if he still has it.

 

i know it may sound mean but it’s not a charity. We can’t win if we are giving big contracts to players who can’t play. He’s already a multi millionaire so not like he needs the money.

It is a negotiation and contracts are for future performance not past accolades--so you are right.  It is sad, but we have to find a LT.  

6 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Really sad new for Icky...

Evero back is interesting... I do think he's showing that with players his scheme can be effective, but the D is really lacking talent.

Canales should give play calling to a real OC. I think he may be a decent HC but I don't think he's good at doing both HC and play calling.

As impatient as we are, there is something to be said for consistency.  Without good edges, a nickel/s who can cover deep, or good LBs, we improved a lot.

Some of the coverages were based on personnel. Dont forget how well Jackson has played here.  Thornton.  Smith-Wade.  I think we are a year away from seeing what it is supposed to look like--and I will judge then.  Yes, I would have been much more aggressive down the stretch with the season on the line--but I don't know more than that.

3 minutes ago, Rambler33 said:

Maybe we can draft a LT first round -

then hope Icky can take over for Morton at RT in 2027- 

And he could, depending on his development, kick inside to G.  Of course, how do you negotiate that contract, if at all?

1 hour ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Evero’s stupid soft zone coverage should be a fireable offense. Bringing him back is stupid. 

don't you mean, "fireable defense?"  

Remember, not all of us were in "normal" classes or rode to school on "long" buses. 

Just now, electro's horse said:

Besides how often he hits up Panda Express in the offseason. 

If I had his money, I would own stock in door dash and companies that enlarge doors.

43 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

oh hey another player I was 100% right about.

theyre different kinds of players but gun to my head i take Coker over tet if we’re being honest. 

What sized font do you use when you admit that you were wrong?   (Seriously, there were a few of us pounding the drum for him and we have been.  Nothing Not to like about him.

Now, if we could only beat the Saints...

9 hours ago, PantherPhann89 said:

I wasn't indicating our saying that you were endorsing him

Was not sure--but I wanted to make sure--I gave up on him early this season---and I was born in Columbia while my father was playing for the Gamecocks, so it was tough to do!!

9 minutes ago, frankw said:

TMac and Coker are more than adequate for any young quarterback. As far as the group beyond them what exactly are people expecting?

At what point do people expect the #1 pick to begin to make his WR's better instead of the other way around?

I could argue that they need a deep threat, (and you could argue that both are) but I agree. The only reason Coker is not a bigger name is because they tried to develop XL.  But Horn is coming along (too soon?) Tremayne had 15 receptions on 19 targets for 160 yards--bottom of the roster quality.   If you step back, there are bigger needs on this team, like edge and LB

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

We should have drafted Isaiah Bond instead of Jimmy.

That draft, if you recall, was before Fox's lame duck season.  It was the one draft when Marty Hurney was on his own without input.  I overheard Fox talking to Tergovac (I believe it was him--memory) and he was telling him "That's not an NFL QB."  Then he watched Armanti Edwards drop a simulated punt from the jugs machine, and he shook his head and walked off laughing sarcastically.  Hurney nabbed Clausen after two teams that desperately needed a QB passed on him--in rounds one AND two--and bragged that he stole a "top 10" QB.  He tried to trade away our first-rounder the following season to move up to pick #33 to grab him.  Then, rich with the draft capital he saved, traded up (later) for Armanti Edwards.  I read a rumor that the Colts bluffed him about their interest in Edwards and he took the bait.  Brandon Lafell in the third and I think he took headcase Hardy in the fifth or so that draft, with Eric Norwood (bust) in as our fourth rounder.

Hurney sucked.  

I don't want to give the appearance that I and the Nostrah Dumbass of this board because I miss a lot when trying to analyze talent, but I was all over Coker before the draft.  I wanted the Panthers to take him on day 3.  When he did not get drafted, I started banging the drum for him.  Apparently, they agreed.  (All Hail, MHS!! All Hail).  I also thought we should have drafted a DT (Marcel Dareus) over Cam Newton and give Clausen another year to develop.  (Boo, MHS!!!, Boo to you!!!)  All that to humble myself.  

Coker is not blazing fast, but he runs good routes and has perhaps the best hands in the NFL.  I am tired of drops.  He is of high character---a guy you can support--unlike some of these other WR divas in the NFL.  

Lock him up long term-I am guessing a deal in the $10m range (after yesterday) would not be out of the question.  He had around 400 yards this season, so let's keep yesterday as a good game and not a coming-out.

We need a consistent deep threat, imo, an explosive WR with good hands.  Imagine that.  XL? Maybe its back to road kill and Dolla Bill.  Maybe this league was not meant for you.  Nothing wrong with giving it a shot, making some bank, and returning to your home.  Morgan?  Your worst move so far.  Learn from these "one hit wonders."

1 minute ago, Clicheking said:

We need to make replacing him a top priority. FS, LB, Edge, OL depth, and another reliable pass catcher this off-season season. 

I agree.  I think LB and Edge are the top priorities, with WR and S behind.  I also think we might add a DT.  I can't decide on Smith-Wade as the nickel, but a FS that can play some big nickel would be nice.  

In the grand scheme of things, our needs list has not been this short in a while.  

Some will insist that you add QB to this list, but realistically, that ain't happening so I will not mention it, but I think this is going to be a great draft to find talent at QB later--players once regarded as first rounders have fallen, for whatever reason. Beck, Allar, Mateer, Nussmeier, Klubnik, and my sleepers, Sawyer Robertson and Luke Altmyer (Altmyer especially).  Get some young depth and insurance.  The red rocket is a coach and Bryce's BFF.   He can do that as the #3.

5 hours ago, Moonraker said:

I know we look at a few plays here and there but this Rams unit put up more pts against Seattle's elite defense. I think getting rid of Evero will be something we regret doing...we are just devoid of talent across the defense after investing YEARS in our offense. 

We simply need a pass rush and some LBs who can stuff the run and drop into the middle as needed in coverage.  A lot of what we do is based on our personnel--having nearly $70m in dead cap (2024) takes time to restock.  I mean, our defense was worst in NFL history last year.   This year, we were in most games.

I am not making excuses for him, but I am saying it could be too soon to tell here.   I think we need a DLman or two as well.

We tend to be extremists on this board.  Natural reaction to losing for 7 seasons (or was it 8?).  Personally, I would love to see more 4-3.

Considering the salaries, i would trade Horn for draft capital and cut Robinson (big cap, limited returns).  It is unlikely that we cut Horn, but I could call a penalty on him every play. 

3 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

If you gonna go helmet to helmet you make it worth it and fold his face mask in. Simmons played lights out on special teams he might get a better look next year 

I agree.  I was impressed with his fire.

5 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

nick Scott trying to stop this ball with his "communication"

Almost had it.

46 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Even if we move on from Evero, given trends, we’ll still have 2 high looks and it is for sure a need.

Ransom is great for 5/6 DB packages, but you need a true compliment to Moehrig.

Would love to find a guy with the nickel/S flexibility with coverage skills. A DeJean-esque dude would be huge.

I think there is a S named Tao Johnson that has that resume--been eyeballing him for a week or two.

19 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

XL is not a good WR. His routes are not good along with his body catching. 

My statement did not endorse him--he should have had a field day, but he sucks.  I share my feelings about XL in other posts (would not shed a tear if they cut him at halftime) and our attempt to develop him has hurt our team this year--not a fan.

Same page, bro

5 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

They stop us with man when they needed a must stop. When we needed a must stop we stayed in zone. Well maybe next year...

yeah, they took TMac away and let Coker beat them, and he did.  XL should have had a field day.  We just are not there yet--but I think we will be solid next year if we have another good offseason

14 minutes ago, parker said:

I disagree.  We have young receivers.  Hardly anyone has more than two seasons.  They will grow.  We need better pass blocking. 

Yeah, I am afraid developing XL hurt this team.  Coker is the real deal.  Lock him up long term.  Lock up Mays.  

We might look TE now if we think Coker is #2. 

In my view, based on this game alone, I proclaim (needs assessment--not going QB as a priority at this time--they will give Bryce the 5th year and we will see from there.

1. Edge. (the second round seems to be where the value is going to be)

2. ILB  Probably our first round pick.

3. WR  A stud to go with Coker and TMac.  

4. TE  IFree agent? Not elated about the draft at TE)

5. FS  Ransom needs to focus on special teams and baclup SS (Moehrig) and we need a better FS)

6. OL depth  (A developmental OT is on my mind)

7. OL depth  ( Center--not sure where we draft one--maybe as early as round 3.)

Shocking statements:   

1.   Cut XL, Scott, and Robinson (cap move)

2. Trade Horn (this is questionable, but hear me out--cap move-this depends on the return, but I do not see the value at his current deal.  We got lucky with Coker and Jackson--allowing us to get rid of high-priced liabilities--yes, I think Horn --at his salary-- is a liability)

3. Do not re-sign Dowdle (RBs start declining at his age--you already have a high-priced RB on a second contract)

I like the foundation. We are close and know how to get better.

Proud of them.  That is all

They thought they could take TMac away and they did a good job.  Did not know how good Coker is.  M Jax is our best CB--trade Horn, imo.

OK, the draft.  We need edge help and a LB that can play the middle. 

So how did we lose?

A dropped punt. 

A dropped interception,

A dropped pass.

If we cut Scott and XL during a timeout, I would not shed a tear.