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having the worst record in football has advantages over being mediocre. 

36 minutes ago, PappyMay said:

#1 in the wavier wire. Maybe hold that until team camps and get out CB depth there.

Good point--waiting does not serve his best interests.

30 minutes ago, strato said:

Jackson 5? Man that poo that was running with 5 children and making big time money.././ they were getting paid in ice cream more or less.

Yep--shoulda called them the Gary Indiana Sweat Shop

4 hours ago, jb2288 said:

I was thinking Adoree too. I don't want to fixate on one specific guy, just go get the best cost option for this year and roll with it

If all 5 of our CBs had the last name "Jackson" wonder what we could call all 5 Jacksons? 

OK--my meds are kicking in--I am back.

5 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I got you fam:

This is ironic--and undoctored, authentic photograph.

Read the first line of my post---then read your response.  A few points---I acknowledge that I have not seen the players on the field yet, something you seem to point out in order to attack my opinion--that is what I call going full  Richard Cranium.  I state that he did not get bullied (trade values don't need performance criteria--they make trades without knowing the player's nfl game performance in the draft--should not have to explain that to you.  There are still good deals and bad deals).   He did not get bullied like the trade up last year.  He got us a second rounder back.  How is that like Fitterer last year?  I'll wait for you to answer, but I do not think you will--effectively using things called "facts"

5 hours ago, RumHam said:

how is it changing your mind? you've seen nothing of the product on the field. WE SAID THE SAME THING LAST YEAR

Because it is my mind--I don't need your approval to change it.   Do you always poo a post before seeking clarification?  I could have explained it, but your intent was not to learn.

11 hours ago, lumbeecheraw75 said:

ohh?

 

Dammit.  Would someone put her on a leash?  We are a David Tepper onion ring away from having this as our owner.

I might target former 2017 first rounder Adoree' Jackson (We like CBs named Jackson) who is 28.  He had a down year in 2023, but before that, he has been solid most of the time--

Steven Nelson (31) Houston had 4 picks last year and has been pretty solid. 

I am not sure I would target one CB and wait for an answer--we need them in here for OTAs. 

(Some of these veterans, like Favre at the end of his career, will hold out or not sign until after camp--that is good for the veteran player, but for team chemistry and mentoring, it is not ideal.)

Already noticing differences

At least this year, we did not see photos of Xavier hugging Mrs. Tepper (even if others were hugged, it simply suggests owner involvement on a premature level, imo)--there were no cute news conferences wherein the head coach jokes about drafting a RB because he had a good game against Baylor and his wife told him to; There are not recordings of the head coach calling a long snapper and trying to convince him that he is being drafted and not pranked.    In other words, I get the feeling that the GM was actually able to do his job this year--we shall see. 

53 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I mean you can see it in his highlights - he has CBs from Yale and Colgate in his hip pocket. 

Yes he's making contested catches and moving the chains, but those aren't even P4 CBs and he's struggling to separate. 

Obviously he has limitations. but Coker was running a lot of deep routes.  I do not see that as his role here, but we will see if they can get him to fit in.  It seems (based on what I saw reported about his contract-if accurate) that they want him here for some reason.  Deep routes take away his advantage as a WR...he is a route runner, so we will probably see him running slants and outs quite a bit--wherever they play him

2 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Well he was projected 5th/6th by most profiles I read. Most had these same weaknesses, slow vertical speed, no NFL competition, whatever. He had the same 40 and 20/10 splits as Antonio Brown, 3" more height and like 10" more vertical.

It's mostly going to come down to the level of competition he faced and if he can get decent separation 

SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES

• Lacks explosive separation quickness and deep speed, often requires contested catches due to close coverage.
• Performance against higher caliber defenses remains a significant unknown, potentially impacting transition to the NFL.
• Subpar after-the-catch dynamics, with limited elusiveness and downfield acceleration affecting YAC potential.
• May struggle to step up his game - especially after playing at a lower level of compeition
• Initial stiffness in press situations could be exploited by physical NFL cornerbacks, necessitating refined footwork and release strategy.

 

Working for a season under Adam Thielen (another undrafted WR) should be a positive factor.  Some of these issues are correctable.  Many kids from small schools not only lack experience against DI schools, they lack the coaching that develops talent. 

5 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

DE Darius Hodges Tulane

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-udfa-tracker-2024/

 

7.5 sacks.  Lightning fast.  Hmmmm.  Nickname:  The Jet.  Can play many positions on the defensive front-probably best as a pass rusher.  Interesting...

2 hours ago, jb2288 said:

Why was Coker not a 3rd/4th round guy? Besides small school, he must have a glaring weakness. That size, vertical and production is very very good and I’ve heard he’s elite route runner. Slow? Drops? 

Good question--good athlete, good hands.  Everyone knew he was getting the ball and his qb was not good.  Good routes, high character.   The only answer I can come up with--small school--but we had a first round CB from Toledo. 

He can even get off against press coverage.    Hands are great.  Even catches contested balls (see Buffalo game).  His only criticism is that they do not see elite vertical speed and there is a "lack of suddenness" .  Some feel his YACs will be limited.  Beyond that, I have no idea.

12 minutes ago, Liminy said:

I'd love to hear his cadence.

The way I understand it, they had to shorten it because his "Hut!" had 3 syllables.

3 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Im really hoping that we sign him. I get we are not a playoff team, but we need to put the best product out on the field as possible. Because..

1. Im tired of watching shitty football

2. A good defense will also help put Bryce in a better position.

 

To me this year is all about Bryce and a good defense impacts play calling and therefore how Bryce is used.  

And with a late day 3 rookie behind Horn, Jackson, and Hill,  we need another veteran.

9 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

 

To be clear, this reporter is representing the DALLAS perspective.  This could be an indication that Gilmore is looking at Carolina.  I am not sure too many people want to be in Dallas right now--I can't understand why anyone would want to go there.  They are working on a few deals, and Jones just made that crazy-ass "all in" press conference that did nothing more than keep his dysfunctional team in the spotlight for reasons other than football.

6 hours ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Why even watch them? I mean if you are already saying you are projecting another failed season with happening what you are claiming will happen then where is the motivation for you to even watch? Sounds as if you have zero hope here, so what's the point or motivation for you to even turn your tv on next season?

I think people with extreme level of pessimism are very cynical when someone shares an optimistic view of anything.  Instead of trying to break out of it, they try to drag people down into their worlds.  Being right becomes more important that the outcome.  For example, if someone predicts that a plane would crash and it crashes, they would become euphoric and proud of themselves. 

2 hours ago, Day1PanthersFan said:

Can he play QB ? 

He did in high school

Nice contribution.  Appreciate it.

I have seen him on interviews, and I just like the kid.  He breaks so many molds and stereotypes, I doubt trying to put a label on his is going to work.  I think he can be special.  During his presser he was talking about riding horses and doing wildlife stuff. 

This came to mind:  Lil Nas XL

59 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

You need to relax a wee bit man. I’m not going to apologize for having a really good photographic memory. I’ve stored a serious amount of crap like this:

Your topic was on Elflein and Erving’s fit after Fittermagic signed them.

No need for me to call a number because it was your thread and if you don’t remember, that’s on you.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension because I said that your post about Corbett and BC at Center reminded me of your topic on Erving and Elflein. I was sort of joking that that topic ended up poorly so I was worried about the Center spot more now. Sorry, not keeping score at all, that’s you reading into it however you want.

Totally relaxed.  Just not here to get into petty disputes with Captain Hindsight.  Start focusing on the Panthers and not the people who post perspectives and you will grasp the purpose of this board.  As for my reading comprehension--it didn't take me long to read you.

 It is very easy if you isolate on one position and ignore the salary cap and other needs. No NFL roster is without weaknesses or areas they would like to address.  This year, we had to address G, G, C, TE, RB, WR, WR, Edge, Edge, DT, DE, ILB, CB, CB, and S.  So we may have some bumps in the road at C due to the circumstances--the point here is to suggest that the problems are not that difficult to overcome, and the downside is you get a 7-year veteran OL switching positions.  Not saying it is perfect--but I am saying that I may rather have Corbett than a fourth round rookie Center.  How was BC's rookie season (3rd rounder?)  Ekwonu's rookie season (1st round). Zavala's rookie season (4th round).  Nah, give me the 7-year veteran who has spent the offseason learning the nuances of Center.  Let me spend my picks and resources on positions where I have no options on my roster.

9 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Here's what you get when you try to skimp at center. Cadence is a huge deal and you can't learn it mid game. That's why they clap in college ball

 

Related to this, I would like to see us speed up the pace of the offense this year.  Folks, I have seen guys switch from G to C midweek in college and they did great.  These are pros.  Cadence can change from QB to QB, and most of the time, the best QBs alter their cadence--hand clapping does not allow for voice inflections (think Aaron Rodgers) to get the line to jump--yes, you can clap twice, but it is hard to simulate an emphatic slap like a voice command.  To me, the biggest challenge is knowing what the D is going to do presnap and adjusting the blocking scheme accordingly.  Once you ID the Mike, the OL then knows their scheme responsibilities and how to adjust should the defense disguise a blitz or stunt etc.  That is the hard part.  Corbett has been beside the center for year and I am sure a lot has rubbed off during that time.  In fact, one college we faced had both guards calling schemes and not the center--play side was the hot call and the guard away from play side called the dummy or decoy calls.  The center simply identified the Mike.  Not sure why they did it--maybe the center was a reserve and unsure.

4 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Appreciate the write up but all I can remember is a similar lengthy post telling us about why we Elflein and Erving will be better than we think. I also remember something about a 1000 yards and TMJ. Anyway, good write up but now I’m worried about C and I already was worried about not getting a rookie to develop for next year. This is the last contract year for both Corbett and BC.

If you remember stuff like that and attribute it to me, yikes.  There has to be a toll free number for you to call.  I did not write this article.  I shared it.  Aside from that, thanks for the acknowledgement.  Nobody here is right all the time--the GMs miss most of the time--keeping score is pretty pointless.