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    REPORT: Panthers going after Browns TE David Njoku

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    30 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

    Problem is we really don’t use TEs and even if we did Bryce limits the opportunities our TEs have. 

    I could argue (not knowing if I am right or not) that the fact that we have not used the TE much is based on talent, not strategy.  We ran some multiple TE sets last year to improve the run game (which is why I am Skeptical that Tremble is cut) but we need a threat that can block

    Former #Saints C Luke Fortner has Signed a 1-Year Deal

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    6 minutes ago, frankw said:

    So decent stopgap? I still want us to draft a center. It is long overdue.

    I think we will draft a C who will play a reserve roll for part of the year if not the entire season.  I think Kalil did that.  It has been long overdue.  Our guards are in their primes and we have a need at LT and a 32-year old RT.  If we draft 2 eventual starters at C and T, we can start replacing the Guards and RT in the next two drafts--Since I do not see the C being drafted before the third round, I think this was Morgan's best move, considering how limited he was (cap, talent), on a smaller scale. Lloyd is next.  That was a surprisingly good deal, imo.

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    Pre-Free Agency (Mar 11) Roster depth chart

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    26 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

    I’m glad I’m not the only one that does this. 
     

    Walker/Decker solves a lot of our problems. Walker means Ickey moves to the inside or RT. Decker gives us time to evaluate him when healthy.

    Signing either of those gives us an opportunity to add more peripheral players and truly go BPA in the draft. If I’m Morgan I am signing one of them tonight.

    Well, if I am the other person, that does not make you normal.  😄  I am just a visual person.  

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    Pre-Free Agency (Mar 11) Roster depth chart

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    I do this for myself, so I periodically share with my Huddle family. Maybe it helps you too.

     

    OFFENSE

    Left Tackle

    Left Guard

    Center

    Right Guard

    Right Tackle

     

    Lewis

    Fortner (FA)

    Hunt

    Moton

    Forsythe

    Zavala

    Samac

    Curhan

    		 

    Ekwonu (IR)

    		       

    Wide Receiver

    Tight End

    Running back

    Quarterback 

    		 

    TMac

    		 

    Hubbard

    Young

    		 

    Coker

    Tremble

    Brooks

    Pickett (FA)

    		 

    Legette

    Evans 

    Etienne

    		   

    Horn Jr.

    Sanders

    		     

    Tremaine

    		       

    Moore

    		       
             


     

    DEFENSE

    Edge/OLB

    Defensive Tackle

    ILB

    Corner

    Scourton

    D. Brown  (3; 0-5T)

    Lloyd (M)  (FA)

    Horn

    Phillips (FA)

    Wharton  (4i/5T)

    		 

    M. Jackson

    Umanmeilen

    B. Brown  (NT)

    Wallace (W)

    Smith-Wade (N)

    Jones II

    Cam Jackson (NT)

    		 

    Thornton

    Incoom 

    LaBryan Ray

    		   
       

    Safety

    		 
       

    Moehrig

    		 
           
       

    Ransom

    		 
       

    Simmons

    		 

     

    Potential Cap casualties (cap savings if cut)

     

    Analysis

     

    Offense: 

    Center:  As unspectacular as it was, signing Fortson was a very solid move.  We will draft a C in round 3-4, and that player will develop for a season.  Fortson is an upgrade over Mays in run blocking.  We had no $$ to give a veteran C, so getting one for $4.5m is a win.

    Guard:  Lewis and Hunt are solid, and they will probably be restructured and kept here for a few years.  I like Curhan.  Zavala?  Not there yet. I would not be surprised to see a day 3 G taken.

    Tackle: We have to draft OT in the first round, especially if Stone Forsythe is the best we can do, aside from Moton.  I hope that was a cyber joke. I am guessing (at this time, no salary or verification) that he is camp competition. We could draft 2 OTs, in fact, one to play behind Moton and the other to start.

    Wide Receiver:  Coker is becoming a star and XL has tremendous athleticism but he is still raw. I expect improvement from both: Coker becomes a solid #2 and XL will seal his fate, one way or another. Horn and Tremayne seem to serve roles and are valued. 

    Tight End:  I am not happy with Sanders and would like to see him go.  Tremble does a lot of dirty work and is underestimated for that reason.  Evans had a decent rookie year and should be a solid #3. We need a #1. We are going to get one at some point.  I think Tremble could get cut, but I would extend him.

    Running Back: As much as I liked Rico, Chuba, Brooks, and Etienne is pretty good and cost effective. Spend $$ on the OL and the backs get better.

    Quarterback:   Well, we might start rooting for Bryce because they seem to love him.  Pickett might be better than Gingerbread at backup QB–at least he has some upside? Watch to see who we bring in as the emergency QB.  It could send Pickett to that role.

     

    Offense Overview: Left Tackle is the only real hole right now (the Fortson signing was a great move), but expect a first-round OT, a third-round C, and I am guessing we sign a TE and another QB.  

     

    Defense:

    ILB:  Lloyd seems to have found a home at Mike / MLB. While Wallace is best at Will, he is not best at starting.  I’d like to see Rozeboom back for depth at the Mike, and I think we draft a starting Will LB in round 2. I am still predicting Golday.

    Edge/OLB: I am sold on Phillips after watching some of his video. Such and smart pass rusher who can stop the run. He smells the football and finds it quickly.  Scourton seems to be the real deal. Princely (needs to develop) and Jones II are role players.  We could add another edge, but cutting Jones II saves under $5m.  I’d rather have him in the rotation.

    Defensive Tackle:  Derrick Brown is going to get a sidekick in the draft.  Phillips should helf Wharton more than people realize–he will prosper. Cam Jackson and Bobby Brown are below average NTs, but at this point, I am not sure they will play a ton. 

    Cornerback:  Morgan has done a tremendous job finding talent in the bargain bins at CB.  Smith-Wade has been very solid.  Thornton seems to be a find (rated the 2nd best rookie CB in 2025).  Mike Jackson is a solid pro.  Horn is elite. Do not be surprised to see a CB in the draft, but for now, this is a solid core.

    Safety:  Ransom is an interesting player who is probably best playing situationally behind Moehrig and special teams.  If they play Simmons at SS behind Moehrig, maybe that will force Ransom to work at FS.  Maybe Simmons is simply the big nickel and special teams ace.  I feel we are a true back S away from completion. 

     

    Defensive Overview:  The Panthers addressed the pass rush and Inside LB (mike). There are weaknesses, in my view, at FS, Will LB, and DT. This defense will be better in 2026, but with the schedule, we may not notice the difference as much.

     

    OVERALL:  Until Free Agency is behind us, it is still a foggy picture.  I anticipate a TE being added in free agency and little more. Assuming that is true, the Needs Chart (in my view) looks like this:

    1. LT

    2. WLB

    3. C

    4. S  

    5. DT

    6. OT

    7. QB

     

     

    In case you are interested:  2025 Rookie PFF scores 

    Corey Thornton, in limited action before being injured, was the third-ranked CB by PFF rankings. According to PFF scores, he was the second-rated rookie panther behind TMAC.

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    [Jeremy Fowler] Free agent OT Stone Forsythe plans to sign with the Carolina Panthers, per sources. Five-year vet was drafted by Seattle and last with Las Vegas.

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    He supposedly has slow feet.  Good run blocker (decent).  Are they going to play him at reserve guard?  I hope so.  He was playing RT in seattle, fwiw.  Maybe depth behind Moton if not G?  Swing T?

    I can tell you that I heard OL coach Gilbert works specifically with tackles.  Someone else works with the guards and someone else works with centers.  (Sorry to be so specific).  Maybe he sees something in this guy he can fix.

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    [Jeremy Fowler] Free agent OT Stone Forsythe plans to sign with the Carolina Panthers, per sources. Five-year vet was drafted by Seattle and last with Las Vegas.

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    27 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

    76/89 rated OT. I’m hearing people say he’s one of the worst OT’s they’ve seen 

    He surrendered 11 sacks in 465 passing snaps.  Last in the league (89/89).  Raiders OL was dogshit. 

    Camp body, swing T best case scenario.

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    Look at the sacks and the pressures.  I have seen Walmart greeters stop more people.   image.thumb.png.1094e119f6e0d792c13461c7b7353f97.png

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    Panthers salary cap strategy/status

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    I would add that if we do nothing more in free agency than land a stud Edge and ILB, Both were top 15 free agents on many lists, we done reeeal good. We got 2 quarters instead of 4 dimes--in the past, we had so many holes to fill, we could not go for the top shelf liquor.

     

    We should re-sign some roster players, like Isaiah Simmons, Curhan, Nijman, and hopefully Rozeboom

    Panthers salary cap strategy/status

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    14 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

    I expect Andy Dalton, A'Shawn Robinson, and Tommy Tremble to be cut. Damien Lewis will be extended by a year to free up cap space and a few guys will be restructured 

    I think Brown and (get this) Ickey might be extended.  Horn too??

    Extending Ickey gives him guaranteed extra money but it is aligned with the risk and position he will play if he returns. For example, (making up the formula) You take the $18m he is costing us for not playing in 2026.  Big men with that injury are given a 50% chance of returning to 90% of their full / current productivity.  The Panthers could then divide the guaranteed amount by 4 years (for example) and it would be $4.5m per.  Since he is going to be moved to G or RT, the average salary for a veteran with his credentials is $15m (for example) per year.  SInce he has a 50% chance, make that $7.5m.  Multiply that by .9.  Roughly dropping it to $6.5.  Now you have Ickey's salary down to $11m per year for the next four years.  Guarantee two years of it--$22m.  That is $4m more than he will make if he is done. Add incentives.  At the end of the day, You could save an easy $12m off the 2026 cap (guesstimate) and you would have a decent G / RT that is pretty cheap for 4 years.  If he does not work out, cut him after year 2.  

    So that is my maff.  While it sounds Batshirt crazy to extend Ickey, it could be very smart.  If I had a career-threatening injury but could add a minimum of $4m for extending my guaranteed $, I would do it.

    I think Tremble gets restructured.  His blocking was too good down the stretch.

     

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    NFL Free Agency

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    56 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

    Jamaree Salyer would be an excellent signing. I hope we are looking at him.

    Yes.  Versatile and has played LT (late in 2025) pretty well.  He would be a nice player who is young and could covert to G if needed, or play T.

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    We signed Devin Lloyd ILB

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    Posted · Edited by MHS831

    55 minutes ago, csx said:

    His best season was playing Mike. His first 2 seasons were at Will and that's when he had the reputation of not panning out.

    Good catch.  I read a dated review  (He used to be a hybrid /will) but when I checked the source, 2023).  This is (to me) encouraging because it allows us to go after a player like Golday (Cinn) who can play both, but is known for his WLB play. Harold Perkins is another name. This  is good because I have heard "He was in a contract year" but scheme and position responsibility is very important.  I am more excited about this now--

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