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Williams always came across as phony to me anyway...guess he's outing himself now....the whole funeral thing too....yup....Smile moar

PiE whoring since 03

4 winning seasons out of 11....turble..Barkley says hai. It's been 10 years since Hurney's best team time to move on man..by your logic the Saints should still brag about their actual SB WIN...

Good...we need some speed on STs.... I'm tired of seeing the return man catch the ball, take a piss, shake it off, then run for 10 yards before the nearest Panther comes into the screen.

Millen may be THE worst doesn't mean Hurney wasn't ONE OF the worst...so no I knew who I meant. Crazy//weird fact....Millen is a 4 time SB champion....forgot about that.

It boils down to people hating Gman for getting rid of Steve Smith so they will try to make it seem like Hurney was good when he was utter trash...actually Hurney gave trash a bad name....dood was one of the worst GM's in the history of the NFL...stat wise and draft wise.

If we hit on 5 picks again we'll be well on our way to SF/Seattle type depth. (SF from a few years ago...)

I am still worried about the bolded...I'm pretty much fine with Gman, it's Rivera's dumb ass we have to worry about.

Yea it's going to swing back to early 2000's where we fight it out with them for the division. Saints will revert back to the cellar where they belong and the Falcons are just a flash in the pan...they do that every once in a while.

Yea but we'll also have people calling for his head for getting Cam killed.

I remember how they had Godfrey and Chandler's back and those were answers....I trust Gman to put talent on the roster but not Rivera to play the correct players. We'll see though, I think Oher will do well here.....at least I HOPE he does....

Yea...for each of those I can name one or more as well....Ray Lewis and Big Ben right off the top and I'm not wasting my time looking up anything. Especially since Hardy was rail roaded and IS innocent soo yea...and Rice had 0 incidents before this one so he's a one time offender...same with Peterson..both were considered model NFL players before last year.

How'd that work out? I'd rather trade our entire 1998 draft for Randy Moss.... This bullshit choir boy routine is old and a big part of why we haven't had back to back winning seasons...no doubt JR would rather have Bersin than Moss...and here we are 20 years later with no rings. Oh yea bring back Hardy too.

LOL where are these cliff jumpers? All I see are the same sort of poo posters that always poo post...why does that compel people to validate those trolls by making threads like this?

No it isn't needed.

If we make the playoffs this year it will definitely validate the previous two years. Three years in a row isn't a fluke and our schedule is pretty tough on paper...at the very least the teams we play are usually good/tough. If we didn't have Shula I'd love our chances...his presence really hurts our potential no matter who we draft or sign. Also how many potential upgrades are going to sit on the bench this year while we wait on their coach designated starters to get injured? Last year the injury bug helped us for once as it exposed what most of us knew and that is Rivera was starting people who had no business starting...and the better player was on the bench. fugin Godfrey was starting...in the SLOT....last year....lulz This coaching staff scares me...the players and GM I'm pretty ok with.

I don't want to overpay for FAs or anything but acting like the Panthers are a team to look at when building a team is pretty much laughable...we had a losing season last year and still no back to back winning seasons. Gettleman looks like the right guy going forward but he is 50/50 in free agency with a good year and a bad year. The draft is where he has been money which is great. But we are still a team that loses one of its best players for nothing while even shitters like the Saints get 1st round picks for their top players when they trade them. We've lost two of our best DEs ever for nothing at all...this team is a joke when it comes to trades and managing their top tier players.(Smitty situation among them) I think the future is bright and we're going in the right direction but people like Mr. Scot seem to think we've arrived when our only claim to fame atm is playing Seattle tough....spare me.

Devin Smith would be much better if he is there...Collins is good too just depends on who all is there...I agree that there is a decent chance it won't be an OT by that point.

LOL that's why this team will always be mediocre(if that). Has our all time W-L record hit .500 yet? Haven't checked in awhile...Hardy is worth the risk.

It's not entirely BPA...we aren't drafting a MLB or QB in the 1st round...

I saw in one thread where someone was saying that Smitty may convince Torrey not to come to Carolina but I think the opposite could be true...I think having played with Smith could make him want to come him. I do think Torrey Smith is a bit too inconsistent though and he tends to disappear for games at a time.

Exactly, I'm in total agreement and even Hardy's questionable behavior hasn't even been all that bad compared to many other NFL players who keep playing for their team. I want him back too but it would be on Greg to take a smaller deal IMO...not that he has to do that or anything but I would be interested to see how things panned out if Greg actually did take a Panthers discount to stay what would happen...

If he chooses to go elsewhere then that isn't the same as the Panthers just letting him go... Perhaps he wasn't genuine saying he wants to play here and for cheap but if he was I'd take him up on it. If he's not guilty then yea I don't really get what the problem is either...he makes questionable decisions and that would be what the front office would be worried about. Like I said he is the one who said he wanted to play here and would for cheap...if he was just talking to talk then so be it but if he really would sign here for cheap then the Panthers would be stupid to not take him up on it. If a team offers him a poo ton of money then yea he's gone but that isn't the same as the Panthers simply not bringing him back.

If he is found not guilty we absolutely should bring him back with a contract that the team can terminate with another screw up from him...it's not hard to understand ways of making it work and other great teams actually do stuff like that. If I was hardy I'd go to Atl or Tampa to stick it to the Panthers if they didn't sign me...stupid to get rid of your best pass rusher who wouldn't have even been in this mess if another stupid player hadn't punched out his GF...going back and watching the pressers after Hardy was put on the exempt list you could tell that DG and Rivera were more pissed off at the league than Hardy....this one is coming down from JR and many of us think we won't do poo until he's gone anyway just adds more to that pile IMO. We have people playing in this league who have nearly killed people...and our first time offender on a missy gets canned....Yes I know he's a head case but if that headcase would take a low salary prove it deal then the team is a head case for not pursuing that.

Run Cam until we score or lose.