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Wasn't Baker Mayfield being clowned on lastoff-season?? And he ended up having a pretty good year and going to the playoffs with Tampa Bay. 

I know he's not a QB but I also remember people panicking when Jamar Chase was dropping a bunch of balls the off-season before his rookie year started. Then he did great when the actual games started.

Bryce had almost nothing but high praise all off season before his rookie year actually started. Then he proceeded to fall off a cliff and be the worst starting QB in the league.

People put way too much stock into off season practices. 

Notice how people are all using the exact same picture as their evidence that Bryce gained a ton of muscle. 

Not that that muscle really matters for a QB that much. AR was rocked the hell up and he couldn't stay healthy.  Mahomes looks very average or even chubby and he's the best qb in the league. 

This is just an off season gossip session because there's not much else going on

I think Canales definitely deserves more than 1 year from Tepper. Especially if Bryce ends up sucking. Canales deserves the chance to pick his own QB, he should really get 3 years or the 2 and some change Rhule got at the very least...

On 5/18/2024 at 9:49 AM, LinvilleGorge said:

To be honest I just haven't been paying attention. I have PTSD from all these shitty Tepper hires. I'm just going to wait and see what takes the field.

This is the best way to look at it imo. I cant exactly remember but I'm pretty sure there were plenty here over the moon for Rhule and Reich and we see how that ended up

I particularly remember it with Rhule. People loved the way he talked and inspired at first. Then his message just soured and everyone turned against him eventually when we weren't winning enough games. 

He probably can't improve his arm strength for throwing over pressure, the video creator  mentioned bryces inability to throw over pressure multiple times. That kinda stuck out to me.

If his ideal comp is like a Tua 2.0 then they're definitely gonna have to get some really good players around him. And you better hope Canales is the next coming of Mike McDaniels 

I was just about to post this. Great video and it's not too long

+ Some nice throws, especially in the intermediate middle of the field 

+ Ability to extend plays

+ Better than you'd think at scrambling/running

- Poor deep ball arm strength, especially while under pressure

- Lot of inaccurate throws otherwise especially outbreaking routes Bryce would commonly overthrow WRs down the field on/near the hashes

- His short stature affects his ball trajectory/field vision when defensive players get close to Bryce and see him loading up to throw 

- Bad at escaping pressure/sacks

- Needs to get better with turnovers/decision making 

> Mingo lost a ton of potential yards while open, because Bryce threw him a Ton of uncatchable balls  

> Bryces WRs were near the bottom of the league in WR separation metrics 

> O line was horrendous and played a big role 

18 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Hope so.

 

If not Shedeur Sanders welcome to Charlotte baby!

Shedeur Sanders,  Carson Beck, and Quinn Ewers are the most plausible prospects.

But there are always QBs that will unexpectedly be really good that most people don't expect. 

19 hours ago, rayzor said:

We should just have more threads for temper tantrums about Bryce in here. Should open up a new forum for it.

You could just pin a Bryce Young off-season talk thread at the top of the page

Just now, 45catfan said:

The DJ Moore revenge game.  You know we always lose in revenge games.

Didn't he already have that last year? The Chicago game was the only one I didn't watch or listen to live. I watched a quick replay of it and don't even remember how dj Moore did.

Wasn't much offense from either team iirc

It's going to cause such a poo storm on this forum if Bryce starts out similar to last year and Caleb beats our asses immediately  

Is this more of an indictment on Brooks' recovery timetable or on how much they dislike miles Sanders lol

I kinda want to use this as a barometer of how people feel about Bryce as well. But the main purpose of this thread is mainly for those who have either mixed feelings or feel negative about Bryce.

What exactly would it take for you to believe he's the franchise qb for the next decade? Or maybe simplifying that question,  what kind of stats would he need in need to really earn a top 10 qb deal/market rate for a 2nd contract with the panthers? Maybe that's a broader question because they could hold on to him for 4 or 5 years. 

Maybe the key factor here is I don't believe Canales is tied to Bryce at all emotionally.  I don't truly know how much weight he has in the room to be able to move on from Bryce if he sucks again I guess, but I don't see him just sitting on his hands if we go 2 to 4 wins again.

I'll try my hand at it here. I'd say something like 25 TDs 15 INTs or less, 3000+ passing yards, around 65%+ completions.  Wins and losses not be as relevant of a stat prediction for Bryce alone, but I would assume if we're at least somewhat competitive for the division that helps his case a lot.  If we have a winning record or a playoff appearance (or both), either of those may be more than enough regardless of Bryces performance because of how long we've been in a playoffs/winning season drought. 

Looking at the opposite end of the spectrum,  I doubt this happens with all the changes BUT. If Bryce turns in another year with a 1:1 TD:INT ratio again or a negative ratio that's gonna spell trouble. Even if he has God awful stats he'd definitely still be on the team year 3 contractually, but I'd say that Canales wouldn't be beholden to keep starting him unless there was a directive from teppper to do so. 

People keep saying the 2025 draft is a dead zone for QBs but Quin Ewers, Carson Beck, and Shedur Sanders are all of age, and any of them or someone else could blow up by the end of the next college season.  

A lot of us were calling for offensive line help this draft this off-season after seeing it collapse last year due to injuries. 

I personally found it bizzare that they would spend so much addressing RG and LG. And then just do a patch job at C relying on two guys that have been injured two years in a row and have minimal experience playing the position in the NFL. 

What were your thoughts on this? This is probably the main thing the made me not love this draft.  If wed drafted JPJ or Frazier in R2 and gotten a decent RB later it woudlve been perfect to me.

I feel like all that money they spent will be pissed into to the wind if Corbett/Christensen/Mays suck and/are injured.

They really should have gotten JPJ or Frazier in R2 and picked up a RB later 

R1 Legette

R2 JPJ or Frazier can't remember which was available, both were if we didn't trade down iirc 

R3 Payton Wilson 

R4 Sanders or RB of choice 

R5-R7 depth, personally I woudlve gotten Brendan Rice in R6 

C+ or B- . The offensive players we got look good but I wasn't impressed at all with the defensive selections. We'll see I guess. 

Defintely will re-evaluate the grade after their first year is over. I think particularly if we hit big on 2 of the of offensive players itll be a great draft from that alone. 

Getting that R2 pick next year back was probably my favorite thing about this draft even above any of the players. That was a gaping hole in the 2025 draft that I was miffed about when we did the trade up for Bryce. That trade down by Morgan this weekend effectively stopped the bleeding from the Bryce trade up, draft capital wise. 

1 minute ago, Future of the Funchise said:

Me too. I'm ok with all the offensive picks, but the defensive picks kinda have me scratching my head. I think it's likely they are scheme fits for Evero and guys he really wanted.

Didn't that happen with DJ Johnson too? Evero might be a good coach but not sure if I trust his talent evaluation abilities 

I'm kinda iffy on these defensive picks in this draft .  

At least we've got decent depth at interior line backers now.

It's nuts we didn't take any offensive line players in the whole draft. Staff must be super high on our depth and Corbett 

Chargers picked up Joe Alt, Ladd McConkey and Brendan Rice. Thats pretty damn good considering they lost both their starting WRs in free agency 

No clue about this guy. Late round CB depth most likely. 

I'm really surprised the Panthers got a popular fan pick JaTavion Sanders. Very common mock draft target in R3 and R4.

R5 - R7 is typically a crapshoot. I'm personally looking at Oline depth and BPA I guess. I don't think Corner is high on their priority list.

Damn great pick actually 

Morgan finally just picked a player that was on top of a typical mock draft board. 

JaTavion Sanders was an extremely common fan pick in R3/R4 particularly in a lot of mock drafts.

If you swapped out that LB we got in R3 for Trotter or Gray this draft would be a slam dunk.

I want at least 2 of these 4 picks to not be project players for the love of God 

We've been so bad at drafting outside of the first two rounds for a very long time. Hitting on even one of these day 3 picks would a pleasant suprise.

14 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Corbett got beat like a drum regularly as a guard before he got injured. So much so they went out a got the best FA guard available to replace him. So now, instead of putting him on the bench or on the street they are converting him to starting center. An underperforming guard coming off 2 season ending knee injuries will now be the starting center. How the hell does that sound like a wise decision?

I would've easily taken JPJ or Frazier in R2 and BPA in R3. They should've just taken a flyer on Trey Benson or Braelon Allen if they were that hard up for RB in R4 through R6.

I was okay with the Legette pick because it makes sense. But picking a RB coming off an ACL for R2 and a developmental LB in R3 was bizzare to me.

9 hours ago, Mike in Raleigh said:

Whoever is the most raw and needs the most coaching.

This is almost always the answer and why our drafts usually ass cheeks