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I kinda want to use this as a barometer of how people feel about Bryce as well. But the main purpose of this thread is mainly for those who have either mixed feelings or feel negative about Bryce.

What exactly would it take for you to believe he's the franchise qb for the next decade? Or maybe simplifying that question,  what kind of stats would he need in need to really earn a top 10 qb deal/market rate for a 2nd contract with the panthers? Maybe that's a broader question because they could hold on to him for 4 or 5 years. 

Maybe the key factor here is I don't believe Canales is tied to Bryce at all emotionally.  I don't truly know how much weight he has in the room to be able to move on from Bryce if he sucks again I guess, but I don't see him just sitting on his hands if we go 2 to 4 wins again.

I'll try my hand at it here. I'd say something like 25 TDs 15 INTs or less, 3000+ passing yards, around 65%+ completions.  Wins and losses not be as relevant of a stat prediction for Bryce alone, but I would assume if we're at least somewhat competitive for the division that helps his case a lot.  If we have a winning record or a playoff appearance (or both), either of those may be more than enough regardless of Bryces performance because of how long we've been in a playoffs/winning season drought. 

Looking at the opposite end of the spectrum,  I doubt this happens with all the changes BUT. If Bryce turns in another year with a 1:1 TD:INT ratio again or a negative ratio that's gonna spell trouble. Even if he has God awful stats he'd definitely still be on the team year 3 contractually, but I'd say that Canales wouldn't be beholden to keep starting him unless there was a directive from teppper to do so. 

People keep saying the 2025 draft is a dead zone for QBs but Quin Ewers, Carson Beck, and Shedur Sanders are all of age, and any of them or someone else could blow up by the end of the next college season.  

A lot of us were calling for offensive line help this draft this off-season after seeing it collapse last year due to injuries. 

I personally found it bizzare that they would spend so much addressing RG and LG. And then just do a patch job at C relying on two guys that have been injured two years in a row and have minimal experience playing the position in the NFL. 

What were your thoughts on this? This is probably the main thing the made me not love this draft.  If wed drafted JPJ or Frazier in R2 and gotten a decent RB later it woudlve been perfect to me.

I feel like all that money they spent will be pissed into to the wind if Corbett/Christensen/Mays suck and/are injured.

They really should have gotten JPJ or Frazier in R2 and picked up a RB later 

R1 Legette

R2 JPJ or Frazier can't remember which was available, both were if we didn't trade down iirc 

R3 Payton Wilson 

R4 Sanders or RB of choice 

R5-R7 depth, personally I woudlve gotten Brendan Rice in R6 

C+ or B- . The offensive players we got look good but I wasn't impressed at all with the defensive selections. We'll see I guess. 

Defintely will re-evaluate the grade after their first year is over. I think particularly if we hit big on 2 of the of offensive players itll be a great draft from that alone. 

Getting that R2 pick next year back was probably my favorite thing about this draft even above any of the players. That was a gaping hole in the 2025 draft that I was miffed about when we did the trade up for Bryce. That trade down by Morgan this weekend effectively stopped the bleeding from the Bryce trade up, draft capital wise. 

1 minute ago, Future of the Funchise said:

Me too. I'm ok with all the offensive picks, but the defensive picks kinda have me scratching my head. I think it's likely they are scheme fits for Evero and guys he really wanted.

Didn't that happen with DJ Johnson too? Evero might be a good coach but not sure if I trust his talent evaluation abilities 

I'm kinda iffy on these defensive picks in this draft .  

At least we've got decent depth at interior line backers now.

It's nuts we didn't take any offensive line players in the whole draft. Staff must be super high on our depth and Corbett 

Chargers picked up Joe Alt, Ladd McConkey and Brendan Rice. Thats pretty damn good considering they lost both their starting WRs in free agency 

No clue about this guy. Late round CB depth most likely. 

I'm really surprised the Panthers got a popular fan pick JaTavion Sanders. Very common mock draft target in R3 and R4.

R5 - R7 is typically a crapshoot. I'm personally looking at Oline depth and BPA I guess. I don't think Corner is high on their priority list.

Damn great pick actually 

Morgan finally just picked a player that was on top of a typical mock draft board. 

JaTavion Sanders was an extremely common fan pick in R3/R4 particularly in a lot of mock drafts.

If you swapped out that LB we got in R3 for Trotter or Gray this draft would be a slam dunk.

I want at least 2 of these 4 picks to not be project players for the love of God 

We've been so bad at drafting outside of the first two rounds for a very long time. Hitting on even one of these day 3 picks would a pleasant suprise.

14 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Corbett got beat like a drum regularly as a guard before he got injured. So much so they went out a got the best FA guard available to replace him. So now, instead of putting him on the bench or on the street they are converting him to starting center. An underperforming guard coming off 2 season ending knee injuries will now be the starting center. How the hell does that sound like a wise decision?

I would've easily taken JPJ or Frazier in R2 and BPA in R3. They should've just taken a flyer on Trey Benson or Braelon Allen if they were that hard up for RB in R4 through R6.

I was okay with the Legette pick because it makes sense. But picking a RB coming off an ACL for R2 and a developmental LB in R3 was bizzare to me.

9 hours ago, Mike in Raleigh said:

Whoever is the most raw and needs the most coaching.

This is almost always the answer and why our drafts usually ass cheeks

What do you think? Will Brooks be 100% to start the season coming back from an ACL? Will he immediately beat out Chubba and Sanders for RB1?

Is Leggete starting out on the outside with Deiontae Johnson  on the other side? Will they just stick Theilen and Mingo in the slot?? 

The good thing is we still have 4 more picks. If the hit on even 1 of these I'd be impressed. The panthers have been absolutely dogshit at hitting on anything outside of R1 or R2 for a very long time 

I just fuging hate how they're always banking on upside instead of just straight up production. That's a huge reason why our drafts have Been so shitty for years. Either Morgan or the scouts that are still there have had a big impact on this. 

10 minutes ago, Mike in Raleigh said:

That's great and all but they seem to be picking the same "diamond in the rough " guys that Fitt got run out of town  for.

That's what I'm thinking. You could have easily gotten a good RB much later and same thing if you wanted a project LB.

I personally wouldn't have traded jack poo, and went BPA. My dream senario was JPJ and Payton Wilson. Even Ig they were afraid of Wilson's medical R3 was a really good spot for another proven LB like Trotter or Cedric Gray or an edge like Trice or Ellis.

Cedric Gray woulda been slam dunk pink at the top of R4 today if we picked a solid edge rusher like Trice or Ellis in R3

10 hours ago, KillerKat said:

Until the product on the field shows us something, hes just Fitt 2.0.

This is where I'm at. I'm not impressed with this for the sake of the trades or the players we got. 

The Legette pick makes sense but I didnt agree with a RB in R2 or a developmental LB in R3. I don't see how that's too different from a Hurney or Fitterer draft pick wise.  And both of them also could hit on first rounders as well. 

Luke McCafrey went way earlier than I expected. R3 to the commanders.  They've had some very solid picks so far as well. 

Steelers are having a very solid draft. They've got multiple players I had in mocks for the panthers  

1 minute ago, jb2288 said:

Wow, his career could be over. Reports say one knee no longer has an ACL (????) not even sure what that means but obviously a huge issue 

They said the knee has other stabilizers in it. Idk how or what those are though, maybe material that imitates the ligament has been screwed into it. Sounds like a ticking time bomb

Payton Wilson is straight up missing an ACL? 

Yeesh. No wonder he's dropping like a rock tonight. 

Just now, App Panther said:

Can't wait to watch Wilson have 110 tackles on a yearly basis while we debate if Wallace can be cut in Year 3 to sign some Vet LB. 

Remember when we passed on that OG that went to the Cheifs, that balled out even tho he had heart issues or something. Trey Smith?

At some point you gotta take some swings. Hell the rb we drafted just tore his fuging ACL last year.

This feels like fitterer in the mid rounds at least.