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Not the best argument when it’s already weird you hire so many massage therapists. Doesn’t dispel the predatory allegations.

Harvey Weinstein also had about a dozen accusations before he was ever charged. The barometer isn’t whether he is charged with a crime. It’s whether he did what is accused.

Case in point as to why people don’t come forward. In an ideal society people would come forward. It’s not an ideal society. There are tons of reasons why victims don’t come forward. Your last part is correct. Let the system run its course. Also, don’t trade for the guy until it does. It would be stupid to trade for him at this point. The Panthers know this and that’s why this ain’t going to happen anytime soon.

I would disagree in that he escaped it. He was generally widely accepted in the years after, especially after his retirement. I would also say his ore deal was far bigger than Big Ben’s because he was charged criminally and there was a very public trial for over year until the charges were dropped because the accuser wouldn’t testify. Nine of this is to say Kobe is worse than Big Ben or vice versa, or even that these guys weren’t different men in the years after their allegations, but there are reasons some of these get more attention than others.

Ten years ago was an eternity ago. If you pay attention to any of this type of stuff the way we handled sexual misconduct allegations was way different. Post Harvey-Weinstein is an entirely different world. The alleged Big Ben stuff should have been taken far more serious. Having said that Big Ben has two accusers. Watson is over twenty. It is much harder to explain away one or two allegations vs twenty alleging similar behavior from Watson.

I’m gonna just say this thread is a textbook lesson on why many victims don’t come forward about sexual abuse/misconduct/rape, etc.

OJ paid millions to the Brown family. Yo I think he did it though and his family sued in civil court, so they couldn’t have been been hungry leaches as you want to pain civil Palintiffs. So would you have signed him? Of course not, it would be completely stupid. As it is with Deshaun until we know what the truth is. Again, you’re looking at this completely wrong and far too black and white. The barometer isn’t whether he has been charged with a crime or not. Not all criminal allegations are the same. Cam had a criminal record, I assume you were fine with that? Of course you were because it was a silly college age transgression. While Watson’s hasn’t risen to a criminal level he is facing serious sexual misconduct allegations by dozens of women. That’s serious. You dont touch that until it’s resolved. I’m not asking for choir boys, but you have to draw the line somewhere. You can’t have the face of your franchise be a sexual predator. You’re clearly very invested in this from a fan perspective and can’t weight the serious business and public pressure that comes from this. I highly doubt the Panthers will move on this front until this is resolved. Hey look another allegation. This one isn’t even suing.

I’d love him if Fields or Lance aren’t there. I would be good with one of the top two tackles, Pitts, Smith or Chase, and Parsons.

Not really an answer lol. However, you seem to realize the gravity of OJ being civilly liable even though he was exonerated criminally. That doesn’t seem to fall under your notion that all civil suits are money grabs? So, I would say someone being found guilty of sexual misconduct for even a couple of three cases would be pretty bad. Why wouldn’t you set a precedent of using a civil suit to make an employment decision? NFL teams have made employment decisions on a hell of a lot less. Some teams won’t even draft guys with “character issues,” even if they don’t involve any criminal activity. None of this has to be black and white. You make decisions based on the information you have. Right now the Panthers have no information. Trading for Watson right now would be a complete shot in the dark and an insanely stupid decision.

OJ was also found not guilty of murder. He was exonerated under the criminal justice system. He was found liable for murder in a civil court. Under your argument civil suits don’t matter, they are just money grabs. So you would have been cool with a prime OJ on the Panthers since he was found liable in a civil court. That’s your argument man, remember civil suits don’t matter...

Yes, I understand the difference between a conviction in a criminal realm and a civil judgment. I misspoke. Dude, I am a lawyer, I can unequivocally tell you people do care about civil actions, so you really don’t know why you’re talking about if you think that the sole purpose of a civil suit. If OJ had done all the things he is accused of while he was playing would you have signed him? Cause you know he wasn’t convicted criminally, but the Brown family won a judgment against him... Again, some of y’all are way to fan boy about this and don’t think about the business or PR perspective an don’t understand risk management.

Or it could say he is a serial predator. Look, If there are 24 people lying and this is one big shake down a good lawyer will be able to snuff it out and all these stories will fall apart. However, no one will know until we get more information and perhaps go to trial. This doesn’t look good IMO, but I won’t place judgment until there are more facts. That’s why it’s best to stay neutral about it. It’s even more important for the Panthers to stay neutral because if you end up trading for him and all this is true it is a huge mistake. I don’t understand why some of y’all don’t get that. Y’all just don’t give a damn and don’t think about the consequences. Look past the football and stop coming from a fan perspective. Also this post hilarious because you criticize people for believing one side as you yourself only believe on side.

Are they dumb? Moving up two spots isn’t worth a first next year.

What were we gonna do? Throw all our back ups out there and say y’all got this one, we need to lose? Our was Rhule hair gonna thrown the game while dudes put their literal bodies on the line? None of that was ever happening. It’s not realistic. Players don’t care about draft position. I would also venture to say on the trade front most payers understand it’s a business.

I mean they failed by nothing of their own doing.

It most absolutely does mean something. Especially if he is convicted of any of the civil lawsuits. You don’t need choir boys in the NFL, but having the face of your franchise be convicted of sexual misconduct even if it’s just Civil is very weighty. Some of y’all need to stop acting like fanboys and come at this from a business standpoint.

You’re projecting. You have no idea what the evidence is b/c none of this has even gone to litigation. You’re just assuming this can’t be real b/c of the timing. No one knows what happened other than Deshaun and the girls. You don’t know, I don’t know, and the Panthers don’t know. With that uncertainty it would be absolutely stupid to trade for him. You have to let the legal process play out and that is gonna happen later rather than sooner. You also understand this is a civil lawsuit? The burden of proof is much lower than a criminal claim. In layman’s terms it’s basically a little over 50% chance. If the girls have texts and other evidence it’s not impossible to meet that burden. But again, no one knows the evidence. So, at this point trading for Watson would be absolutely batshit.

I mostly agree with this. I disagree in that I think it’s at least possible the Falcons trade to us if it’s the best offer they get. Basically we are looking at trading for a QB at 2 or 4. Taking a positional player at 8. Or taking Jones at 8. Perhaps we can Seattle about Russ and see if he comes here.

Which big time player was accused by 20+ different women? You would have to be absolutely certain Watson did nothing wrong before you trade for him and there is no way to know that. It would be a complete fug up if the Panthers traded for someone who were to be found guilty under of this. If you want him you let this play out and then trade for him if and when he is exonerated. Until then it would be terrible mismanagement. Y’all need to move on from this Watson stuff. Ship had sailed.

You really want to give up assets for Watson amid a massive cloud of uncertainty for lawsuits that will take months and perhaps years to play out? That would be dumb as poo. I hope you all are prepared to either draft a rookie or stick with Teddy. Cause the Watson ship has sailed.

Based on?

You may not be meaning to, but it’s coming off that way. Again, no one knows what happened. Right now it’s just people’s words. At the every least though this shows a severe lack of judgement that I don’t think you want your franchise QB having. People are free to do what they want in their private lives, but putting yourself in a situation like this just seems dumb as hell.

You seem to be on Watsons side big time. I have no idea what happened. I will let the legal process play out, but as it stands none of this looks good with the amount of victims. If this is one big scam to screw over Watson any good attorney will be able to snuff that out in court. I think you should probably come to the realization there is a real chance DW is a piece of poo and won’t be the QB here ever.

It’s not like they all found him by happenstance. He most likely put up a hotline and asked victims to contact him after the first couple of victims came out. How much vetting is involved, idk.

Not good IMO if the narrative is now shifting to, “well I did have sexual encounters, but it was consensual.” This is a lot to overcome in the court of public opinion. At the very least it shows bade judgment, at worst he is a predator.