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5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We don't know. 

You're the one acting like a LB that the second worst defense in the league is ready to move on from is ready to pick up carry the torch of Mills, Morgan, Beason, Luke, TD, etc. All the while acting like the folks saying "nah" are the crazy ones. 

What does the second worst defense got to do with anything? They are not the second worst because of one player. You should be trying to look at his play in a vacuum the best you can, not essentially saying that every player on a bad defense is bad.

The fact is, Lloyd has improved, leading the Jags in tackles and defensive stops last year. Moreover, the Jags have obviously been having issues, and one way that they plan to fix it is switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3. They may not feel that he's the best fit for their system. 

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

With this organizations history of paying LBs the last thing I want to do is trade a promising young WR for a disappointing former 1st round LB going into a contract year. Sounds like a recipe for salary cap disaster to me.

I get what you're saying, but "disappointment" or not, he's been solid the last two years. He is great depth at worst, but is really a starter.

16 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

Hunter is your guy for that, he's only 29. That's 3-4 years of vet WR duties. 

 

I will ask you, give the CHubba, JT, XL, Tmac, Dowlle, AT, Hunter......how many targets will Coker get each game??

Personally feel he's in danger of not getting a game-day jersey, Moore and Hunter do more on STs than Coker.....

I mean, I like the Renfrow story and all that, but he does have a history of an incurable, yet chronic  autoimmune disease. Ulcerative Colitis goes into remission and can be managed with meds and lifestyle changes, but it can also flare up also.

That being said, I'm still not necessarily against trading Coker for Lloyd. Not necessarily for it either.

I think people must remember that Coker is still young, and probably can't anchor a WR room as good as some of you thinks that he is. He was undrafted for a reason. That being said, he's better than many suspected, and made a solid accounting of himself his rookie season. Basically, we just can't pinpoint his ceiling, but can comfortably say that he has a decent floor. 

It just depends upon calculating who you believe would have the most impact short and possibly long term. I think that there are still more question marks surrounding Coker.

59 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

As we know from the past, you cannot take anything from these practices good or bad.  

Oh, you can take things away from them, you just shouldn't take things and run away with them. 

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, Bryce got picked by Shemar Bartholomew today.   Bryce isn't getting Jaycee Horn all camp. 

Bryce and Legette just cooked Horn on a play yesterday.

https://x.com/Panthers/status/1949851161076375585?t=EmA59QYdiarcGTu_Zary4A&s=19

36 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

All of which seemed to be to Coker. The 1 to Tmac was caught out of bounds. Coker is not having a stellar camp so far.

"Carolina’s group of young wide receivers looked especially impressive on Monday. Tetairoa McMillan, Xavier Legette, and Jalen Coker all made several highlight-worthy plays in one-on-one drills."

https://www.wbtv.com/2025/07/28/panthers-intensity-turns-physical-first-day-padded-practice-training-camp/

It's a little early to say someone isn't having a good camp. Coker has been making some plays.

57 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Dalton continuing to look like the best QB in camp. You think that would end eventually. 

Well that's a bold statement...based upon what now?

1 hour ago, PootieNunu said:

I dont get the infatuation with wanting one of these old dudes to be 3rd or better in receptions.

We have two first round pick WRs and a UDFA in Coker who showed real promise. 

Not to mention our TE and RBs, plus Horn.

Any number of dudes we should be developing and giving these looks too, not Renfrow or AT. They are on their way out of the league. 

No one is necessarily saying they want him to be third in receptions, but that it could happen and that it wouldn't be some automatic negative. At this point we have other younger, less experienced players who could of course end up producing more than Renfrow, but depending on game dynamics and coaching philosophy regarding experience and simple execution at/on the job, there is a scenario where Renfrow gets more play than most of the guys. That's all I'm saying. 

Furthermore, run blocking is an understated part of the job and Renfrow isn't bad at that, but younger guys (especially rookies) need to master that before they become a regular staple in the flow of the game.

In my opinion, some Huddlers are just discounting Renfrow a little too much while glorifying younger guys who still have a lot to learn. I've seen this story before. It's not about "infatuation" from the coaches' parts, and more about getting the receivers on the field who can do their job. And speaking of "infatuation," I'm not inclined to fall in love with the next best thing either. I've seen these players come and go on a consistent basis. I told people that Philly was JAG, and that's exactly how his short career played out. My advice would be to at least see players in a game before you crown them as roster material.

29 minutes ago, Butterflyj30 said:

This is sad I hope he has a speedy recovery

Sad? I'd label it more as "unfortunate." It's actually good that it was caught. Hopefully he'll be OK in the future. But I, unfortunately like many people, have seen sad outcomes from cancer, and, so far, this is not sad.

3 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

I think that looked much better on Bryce's part than tmacs.  He made a really good adjustment to the ball but his separation is what is always going to worry me, he had absolutely none with Jackson on that play, Bryce threw him open.

He also went for what some said would've been a 45 yard TD when Bryce hit him in stride over the middle. I'm not worried. Brett Kollman said that Tetairoa is probably most dangerous in that very scenario. Tet has also shown to have very strong hands, ball adjustment and jump ball skills like other bigger receivers.

So, Dabo talked Renfrow into not retiring, and Renfrow wanted to play ONLY for the Panthers.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45843802/dabo-swinney-talked-panthers-hunter-renfrow-retiring

You know he got popped if he has a knot on his head. I don't know if the knot was a result of the play or the scuffle, but Wallace is bringing the attitude. 

41 minutes ago, CRA said:

I got Luke in before 89 or Cam

I still think Luke is technically our best player.  He just played ILB which isn't a premium spot.  

I wouldn't be mad at it. I often call Luke "the best ILB that I've ever seen," and I've watched the game in earnest since I was nine, but I think there is more going on with Steve Smith---meaning it's political---than perhaps should be. I understand that he was not the nicest person---an asshole at times basically. People don't or didn't like him. That being said, he's still 8th all time in receiving yards, ahead of guys who have their gold jackets: 

 * Marvin Harrison (9th)
 * Andre Johnson (11th)
 * James Lofton (12th)
 * Cris Carter (13th)

At some point, Smitty has to be inducted solely based upon the numbers (not to mention producing big results at his stature in a big man's game). I can see the snub early due to his temperament, but I hope it doesn't become a "thing," and I don't think Panthers fans, or NFL fans in general, should stay silent about it if it does.

2 hours ago, Icege said:

Internet here sucks so hard I can't upload images so am stuck with embedding tweets. -_-

 

Well, at least you know how to embed them. I still haven't figured it out since the transition.

37 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Sadly neither make it. I think the only player that the Panthers have that could would be Kuechly. 

89 will be the next Panther in, and might be the only one for a very very long time. I think Kuechly has an outside shot. He would be a lock had he kept playing.

5 minutes ago, PantherGuy said:

It is unbelievable how some of yall are taking this as confirmation that he's no good and doesn't have the mindset it takes.

Welcome to the Carolina Huddle.

36 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I have never seen this cat play a single snap of football, BUT, I really hope that we're not counting on a 25 yo, UDFA who played 6 years of college ball to suddenly replace our starting LB. 

Sounds to me like Dean Jones needed a story and didn't have anything else to write about. Wishing the guy luck though, cool nickname.

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's always training camp hype trains. Not just here, but everywhere across the league. A guy will have a good day or two and some people will act like that is going to translate into a major role then the guy gets released a couple weeks later and they're shocked and appalled. Happens every year with every team.

I mean, why make it more than it is? Jones just tries to produce content, whatever it is, and the article is based on another's opinion about UDFAs who have the best shot at making the NFL for each team (and we see these types of articles every year). I don't think anyone is necessarily trying to hype Bam Martin-Scott. In fact, I'd gather that most NFL types, including these writers, would bet that we add a starter-level LB before the regular season. In the meantime, we'll have to wait and see what happens. 

24 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

TBH, I think there are a LOT of red flags with his focus on being a social media brand rather than his focus on being a football player. The antithesis of this was definitely Jaycee Horn. I remember all of his rookie vids being working out with top CB's and the reports of him being a sponge for info from the vets.

That's elite mentality. XL does not have that, hence why I am generally so negative about him.

Yeah, but by  basically all accounts by those that matter, he's been working hard. I'm not gonna hate on him for having fun along the way as long as that's the case. Moreover, Jaycee came in with an advantage over most: he grew up in the NFL (so to speak). Of course he came in with an elite mentality. Now I'm not suggesting that some players don't, but mentality, especially, evolves with maturity, and many of us have been watching football long enough (and lived long enough) to know that maturity, growth and evolution isn't a cookie cutter type of proposition.

23 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

So few of the guys pan out after the 3rd round. I really never put too many eggs in those baskets, minus some exceptions.

The NFL is really not-for-long in most cases. Hell, as I've mentioned before, even second rounders have a 49 percent chance of being on the street, according to Google AI, after four years.

5 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

I may be reading too much into this, but the comments from Canales about Horn don't really indicate good news. He compares him to Deven Thompkins, whom he said he loves, and Thompkins had a really good camp last year and was creating separation and making plays just about every day. But Thompkins was cut. And when we did bring him back, it wasn't for any real meaningful snaps. And then we cut him again. That's not a guy I would want to be compared to.

Granted, we did draft Horn, and Horn isn't Thompkins, but Canales praised Horn as a guy that made other guys better, not as a guy that was playing well. And I think there is a clear difference. 

Just trying to see through the coach speak.

Hey, at least your opinion is honest and insightful. I would've never thought about the comparison as critically as you have hadn't you posted it. 

Where are all the, uh, "USC" fans at? I know its South Carolina, but I've seen their fans in here on the regular. What do y'all have to say? That's really why I started the thread: for the perspective of someone who is really familiar with the kid.

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

While most will understand that he has learned from mistakes as a rookie, others who did not like the pick to begin with will use this to fuel their hatred.

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Meh I would rather hear him admit his mistakes than just pretend like he's been doing everything right. All that matters are the results on the field. Let's see that and go from there before bashing him just for being honest.

Yeah, I expected some hate, notwithstanding X essentially admitting his imperfections in so many words. At this point, unless X is a stud, there may be people that talk sh¡t about him regardless of how he improves on the field. I hope that's not the case. In many minds, expectations for X (and, perhaps, a timetable for success however that looks like) were probably unrealistic in the first place.  

According to Anthony Rizzuti of Panthers Wire, the four standouts are (FWIW):

Hunter Renfrow 

Jimmy Horn

Princely Umanmielen

Demani Richardson

The Huddle has discussed Renfrow, Horn, and Umanmielen. There hasn't  been too much discussion about Richardson

Dean Jones of Cat Crave does provide a relatively lot of Panthers content. Granted, some of it seems like forced filler with a "clickbaity" title, but he provides food for thought sometimes. Now he's saying, "Panthers may have found their Josey Jewell replacement without even trying."

Of course, I don't think that teams do any acquisitions without trying; team building is about detail. That aside, Jones referred to an article by Bleacher Report's Brett Sobleski, an NFL analyst that suggests that Martin-Scott has a legit shot at making the team due to the Panthers' quality and lack of depth at the LB position.

"An upward trajectory is what every NFL team is looking for when it comes to a young player entering the professional ranks. Carolina Panthers linebacker Bam Martin-Scott fits the bill. He is an aggressive defender with a quick trigger, and he's going to deliver a blow upon contact. Those traits can also take him out of position. Still, he has "admirers" among the Panthers' coaching staff, according to Darin Gantt of the team's official site. The Panthers aren't particularly deep or good at linebacker, which opens a pathway for anyone to secure a spot."

Now I don't know how good we'll be. As a Panthers fan, admittedly, I think that we're going to be better, but I think the play of Trevin Wallace will go a long way towards making or breaking the room as a whole. I'd also add that Christian Rozeboom is coming off his best season (and can hopefully be somewhere in the vicinity of Jewell in terms of play). But we're not necessarily either good or deep at the position on paper, and like Dean Jones thinks, I expect us to add an experienced vet. But I'd like to ask the opinions of the Huddle, of which many are South Carolina fans, does Martin-Scott have a realistic chance of being a replacement level LB, much less a legit NFL starter. You've seen him play, so what's the deal? He has his "admirers" among the the coaches, but is it really warranted, and if so how much?

https://catcrave.com/panthers-may-have-found-josey-jewell-replacement-without-even-trying

4 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

Trying to do anything I got to?  I don't like the way he says that.

I want him to work out, but the more I learn about him, the more he seems to just not have that elite mindset.  Would love to be proven wrong.

On the last highlights from camp I watched, he still wasn't tucking the ball correctly to run.  He adjusted, but I want that type of thing to be automatic, not something he has to think about.

Point taken, but he has to learn. I'd say that he certainly had problems with drops, but I don't remember any fumbling issues. He's young. I don't know that he was talking about thinking about improving while he's literally playing, as much as he's thinking about improving catching before regular season begin. The good thing about the Jugs machine, and any type of practice, is that it leads to muscle memory, which of course leads to not having to think about playing, but just playing. 

We'll hope for the best.