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I mean, people can rate Bryce how they want. I didn't know everyone was rating him the same as me...

If Bryce sucks, 2025 is going to be a long season. I saw enough during the latter part of last year, and I think Bryce is smart enough to and works hard enough, that I'll give him a 5.5 to 6 out of ten on my confidence meter (and trending up). I hope that he continues to move that needle up in September.

This was just corner rankings, and not necessarily group rankings. I'm not sure how it will all fall, but It would be nice to sign one more corner.

Now now now, I wouldn't say there is no logic, but there's just not a lot of in-depth thought put into Barnwell's "analysis." Now to be fair to him (and other national writers), pre-season team rankings are basically clickbait. And...Barnwell, himself, said that "there's a lot of projection here." He basically admits that he doesn't know how the hell things are going to turn out with our receiver group. He also said that "I find myself" more intrigued by Coker than Legette; that does not mean that he said that fans should be, or that Coker will even be better than Legette (regardless of ESPN's per-route-run stat). So, yeah, Barnwell said some things, but even he has to basically admit that he doesn't know how bad or good that our playmakers will be in 2025. Overall, what Barnwell is basically thinking is that the Panthers have gotten worse at the offensive skill positions, and baked into that is that others have gotten better. That's the argument in July (meaning, please don't give this any more weight than it's due). I would personally be surprised (not shocked) if we end up worse than the Titans, Pats and Giants at least. Once you throw in the Bills, Giants, Jets, Steelers, and even the Chargers, I personally think there are several teams' skill groups that may end up ranked lower than ours by the end of 2025. @kungfoodudeis one of my dudes, but like others he is over the tipping point. He's had enough. Seeing is believing. I will say this though: Barnwell's piece is less about logic than just good ol' opinion. And to be honest, he might as well be a Huddler throwing out sh¡t in the summer based upon nothing but good feels or bad feels. Our offense as a whole (just like any other team's) is going to depend upon the play of the O-line and especially the QB. How you can even rank the skill positions without expressly baking those two things in the cake is beyond me. I would dare say that that's not even logical.

That kind of buttresses the argument that he was simply dealing in generalities, at best really, and doesn't understand the nuances of the Panthers. I mean, honestly, how difficult is it to get the round correct these days? It's indicative of sloppy and lazy journalism.

2078 7th?

I'm gonna say Legette due to his willingness to work and improve. Secondly, I'll say Wallace because I just find it hard to believe that knowing our ex-LBs, the present GM included, it's hard for me to believe that we'd pick a bust. He showed some flashes, and he should have a better grip on his responsibilities. He believes he's ready Third: Sanders gets the spot by default. I don't know that Canales believes in TEs enough to help one turn into a star, but Sanders has some talent. He's going to have to deal with Tremble and the rookie though.

Honestly, I have only one pair of white shoes (only because they were new and like $4 from the Goodwill) other than my easily-cleaned Crocs. A man's got to think ahead.

Well...first off, I think it's a little harsh to say that X "is not productive at all on the field." He wasn't good, but he was hurt, and we saw some flashes nevertheless, especially as it pertains to getting open. There was enough there to hope for improvement, but of course nothing is guaranteed. Secondly, X is a man of the people. People can relate to him. Cam came in---what can be perceived as arrogant (whether true or not---that's a whole nother debate). I had more than a few people, from my country, white late-50ish boss to more urban, black students from the North, to my now dearly-departed 98 year old grandma tell me that Cam thought that he was all that and a bag of potato chips. Cam always had a perception problem in my opinion, and some people just aren't going to like him. Mind you, I've defended Cam on many occasions, but If I'm gonna hang out, I'd pick X from what I know about both guys. Getting back to the field, X is still just starting and receivers just generally have way less opportunities to fug up than a QB. For now, X is perceived to be a guy that takes full responsibility for his inadequacies, and by pretty much all accounts, he works hard and isn't relying on his uber talents to get him through like it's a predestined entitlement to be a star. Some may say that Cam took his talents for granted, right or wrong, and that he never really improved because he was so much more talented athletically in some respects than most of his peers--he was comfortable where he was. I'm not saying all that's true or even fair, but one thing I will say is that no way I'm putting Cam ahead of Pep or Smitty in terms of being the best player in franchise history; others can believe he's the best, but for me he'll never be better than third at this point.

I wonder how many athletes ride ATVs. Suffice it to say that X isn't nearly the only one. I mean, yeah if you're out there being irresponsible it can become an issue as far as safety is concerned. Other than that, it's just something to do. The trails in SC can't compare to the ones in CO (but still fun). The scenario in the vid was no big deal though. Dude got stuck; X helped him get out. The camera man wasn't about to get in the mud, hence all his stupid comments. You could tell that he was young.

The era that you played in, and, more importantly, who you played with actually matters. Honestly, that's why these issues will be debated forever, as it's just difficult to say that this person or that person is better when you're discussing the passage of time. As for me, after Rice, Moss and maybe Megatron and T.O., there's probably a dozen or so guys that can be argued about to the cows come home. Personally, I'm not putting Fitz, Harrison, Johnson, Evans, or especially D-Hop, Jefferson, Chase or Hill definitely in front of Smitty (and Colston ain't even in the discussion). Context and all that stuff actually matters. Things like the triple crown matter.

No one knows how Bryce is going to do. The time for squeezing metrics in order to meet preconceived notions or to support positive or negative narratives is dead. The field will be where Bryce's story unfolds. We've just got to wait and see what happens.

Doesn't discount what I said...at all. Your LT PJs have to be a little worn at this point.

All fine and good, but know what you're disagreeing with. You can't disagree with facts, and it is a fact that McCaffrey's yards-per-carry and yards-per-catch averages are higher than Tomlinson's. You can agree or disagree about the importance of that fact in light of different parameters or contexts, but the facts as of June 27, 2025 on their career averages in that regard aren't changing.

It simply depends on perspective. CMC, when healthy and on the field, has a higher YPC and YPR than LT. Yes, he's been injury prone, but this is simply a "all quarter-century team." There are certainly different stats and different lists. If this were a list or about a team simply based on longevity, then of course LT wins that every time, but some lists are more subjective and nuanced depending upon what they are, and it's not necessarily a reflection upon a person's ability to analyze sports.

Some of you act like one can't learn from experience over time. Just because you may not know what you're doing in 2018 doesn't mean that you don't know what you're doing in 2025. Frankly, you grow from experience, and success and excellence gives first-time applicants the hand probably 99.999% of the time.

I mean, we have a relatively young team, and we still have a "new" team as we're building something. I'm pretty sure that someone will emerge between the youngsters and the free agent vets.

You do realize that was in reference to David Moore? I don't think you're necessarily trying to be overly sarcastic, but I would classify Renfrow as above average under normal circumstances. He'll never be great, but he's the sneaky chain-mover that performs a certain function consistently well.

I don't agree, but your remark was funny as hell. I knew that people were going to reject "leave our mark," simply because they hate change. Add in the emotional Sam Mills aspect of it, and "keep pounding" is sacred to so many Panthers fans. Sometimes change is warranted however, so If they come out with a jacket or hat or something, I'm on it.

Low expectations and putting JAG on a pedestal. I guess I can understand. We've been in a bit of a desert of talent-rich wide receivers. I received a lot of smoke for trying to tell people that Philly Brown was JAG. Oh how so many Huddlers loved them some Philly...

I mean, I alluded to it when we signed him. It might be different if he was old and washed up, but he's not. Sickness and suffering will never ever allow you to be your best. Eclipse that and if one has the talent and inclination to thrive, the sky's the limit.

I did a little research. I think that it's hard to say that we're a traditionally "small-market" team anymore. Technicalities aside, our fan base is certainly not as popular as some others (lots of fans from different fan bases can probably argue that though), but the Panthers do have a solid and committed following if you look at things like home attendance and---fascinatingly---social media digital presence (e.g., back in 2023 there were three million followers of the Panthers on Twitter, ranking them #5). It's just hard to get exact, up-to-date numbers because much of the relevant information is not forthcoming, but suffice it to say that winning changes things, even if temporarily. Even if the fan base is smaller, it certainly seems to make a lot of noise. We just need to win. On an off note, Tet McMillan has fairly strong rookie jersey sales. Between him, Bryce and Legette, maybe the fan base will grow a little.

I'm sorry, I just don't see what difference it makes. Preseason is preseason. Coaches know what they need to get out of practices (which are decidedly more important), and--whether we want to admit or not--preseason games can upend seasons before they even start due to injuries. We see it every single year. We're going to have to be patient and let the process play out. So what if we're still learning and gelling in September? It's going to happen anyway, and a quarter or two in largely meaningless preseason games isn't going to change it. Fool yourself that it makes any type of substantive difference if you want, but it's the camp, the practices, film time and all that other stuff that happens over time that makes the real difference.