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I know I keep going back to this three years or get someone else, but I'd invite anyone to back through the Superbowl era and find all of the coaches who were able to get a ring 3 or at the most 4 years after being hired by that team.

It just doesn't happen. 

If the goal is to get a ring and you can't do it in 3-4 years with a coach, you won't do it with them at all. 

Taking several years to build a team seems like a nice idea, but a team that takes more than 3 years for a coach to build isn't going to win you a championship. That's not being narrow minded. That's just straight facts.

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I am sorry man I just dont believe that.  I believe a good coach can show building blocks but some franchises will take a few drafts to upgrade to a playoff team. 

 

This is in no way in support of rhule, i think he needs to go like yesterday

They won't win a championship. If a coach doesn't win a championship in the first 3 years (sometimes 4 depending on QB situation), it's not going to happen. 

If we're looking at it taking several drafts we're doing it wrong. A coach that takes 3years to build the team before you're winning should be fired.

Point is... if the new coach can't field a winning team in 2 years, we got the wrong one.

A good coach, the right coach, can do it.

15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Sure man, but my point still stands, its going to take more then 2-3 years to build a solid roster

Then it will take 2 coaches.

Theres enough pieces to get the ball rolling. Fixing the OL via FA and draft is the biggest thing.

You hire the right guy and he will be able to get the few right pieces we need to get this team winning in 2 and Superbowl in 3.

The right coach can make it work. The right coach makes the most of the talent they have and they get it done quickly. 

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Maybe for a normal franchise but I dont see it here.  We have too many holes, 4 out of 5 lineman, linebackers, another corner or 2 and yeah a competent qb.

 

Keeping in mind the draft this year is pretty much a dud with only one high pick of value.  IMO this is a 3 minimum and that is if everything breaks our way

No. For any franchise. If we don't hit it in 3 years with the next coach then we have to move on to another one. 

They only have 2 years to start winning or 3 to get to the Superbowl or it's not happening.

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

How do you figure 2 years?   How is it possible to get a rookie qb up to speed that quickly and completely overhaul the line and fill in the other holes?   We are in a bad bad spot as we stand here today as a franchise 

Based on if a head coach is going to take a team to the Superbowl they do it within 3 years of being with that team. 4 if they don't get their QB until year 2.

If they don't make it in that time frame, they won't. 

If it takes longer than 2 years to start winning, it's taken too long. 

8 minutes ago, Gipetto said:

He is our karl hankton with the potential to be a great situational WR

Was thinking this earlier. Karl Hankton 2.0

23 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I'm blaming everyone.  That's the thing.  So many people on here want to blame everyone but Cam...  I dont think this loss was on Cam, but if you critique anything about Cam on here then the poo starts flying.

But why focus on that one play? Why make such a big deal out of one play out of an entire poo show of a game? Few are saying it wasn't a bad decision. The poo is flying because you're making a big deal of this one, but moreso because that jackass hack coach brought it out as if it was a big issue in the loss.

He's deflecting on a guy he was forced to add to his team. Not sure what you're deal is 

If a coach doesn't get us to the playoffs in 2 years, he likely won't. If he won't get us to the Superbowl in 3, it likely won't happen and definitely won't happen if it doesn't happen in 4.

No coach should be given a contract more than 4 years. 2 years is more than enough time to judge whether he's building something good. 

Point is, it shouldn't take 3 years to build a good team.

1 hour ago, Tr3ach said:

So let me get this straight.  Everyone who was flipping out when it happened screaming why didnt Rhule call a run play there, he screwed Cam over etc, now finds out that Rhule did call a run play and Cam optioned out of it and that play is still on Rhule.  Huddles gonna huddle

 

This play was not a big deal in the scheme of things. We didn't lose because of this play.  We didn't lose because of Cam.

Not sure why you are so dead set on defending Rhule and finding some way to blame Cam.

Just now, Tr3ach said:

I dont disagree with you there nesscesarily but regardless of who takes the blame that is kind of semantics really.  It's good to blame someone you want to blame.  Everyone is pissed off and frustrated with how this season has went and its always going to be easier to paint the blame on one clear target when there is blame all over the place to be had.

But 99.9% of the blame lies on him. It's his team. His mess. His failure. 

Trying to point out one play and throw blame on Cam is like trying to blame the titanic on a missing lifeboat.

1) better draft picks in 2023

2) more free time for me on Sundays because I won't be watching that poo 

1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

He doesnt normally call the offense though.   That's not something many head coaches are responsible for.  Not unheard of but not commonplace. 

His team. His coaches. His offense.

It all has his name on it. When a player isn't meeting expectations that's ultimately on the coach as well. A good coach owns it all. A bad coach blames it on a player. 

Just now, CRA said:

Matt Rhule’s offense has had horrific situational playcalling for 2 seasons.  So even if that one play was on Cam….it doesn’t change the fact that Rhule sucks. 
 

first drive.  3rd and long and we know we are going for it on 4th yet they throw long.  Incomplete.  Should of played a high percentage play to gain yardage that gave us more options on 4th.  It’s all Matt Rhule.   It’s not Joe Brady.  It’s not Cam.  Rhule is problem #1.  

This all day.

That one play didn't cost us the game. Cam didn't cost us the game.

It's a red herring meant by to distract us from his ineptitude.

He's a PoS for trying to throw this loss on cam which this very much is an attempt to do.

He needs to be gone.

18 minutes ago, Rolinda said:

He deserves at least 3 years. Give him an opportunity to develop his program. 2 years is not enough.

Sorry, but if a coach hasn't made it to the Superbowl in 3 years, he's not going to.

This is not a team that will be in the Superbowl in a year.

You don't have 3 years to build a team. You have 2 and he failed.

Sad, but I hope that's all there are. Maybe then Tepper will get it.

1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Don't give up hope just yet.

Bucs vs. Panthers is the day after Christmas. 

Unless the Panthers pull a rabbit out of their hat, it will result in another loss for Rhule.

Black Monday, December 27th, watch as several coaches on the hotseat lose their jobs.

I fully expect Rhule to be one of them.

I hope so. I just don't expect it. Tepper is about as good at running a pro team as Rhule is at coaching. I have zero confidence in him to make the right call and even if he does fire him I don't expect him to make a good hire. 

I watched the first half of the game today and I really only did it because of habit. 

I won't watch a minute more until he's hired someone else and even then, it will just be out of curiosity...not excitement. 

1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

Yup, but