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37 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Possibly. I just have to think that the Panthers were open with him during the interview process about being very interested to making a move on a rookie QB in the draft. Maybe they weren't open about aggressively looking to move up? Maybe Reich thought he'd also be able to get a vet stop gap? I don't know.

I don't think he's as wildly incompetent as Panthers fans want to make him out to be though. I just think everything about last year's organization was a mismatched clusterfug and was destined for disastrous results.

He was probably too caught up in the idea of getting the gig that he couldn't say no and felt he could probably deal with it.

Panthers had a plan and needed a HC with pro experience. He needed a job so he could be validated and was willing to step into a situation he didn't know would be too much for him.

Clusterfug is the perfect description of it all, though. It was a disaster that no one could have seen coming much like Siefert. There is no reason to believe it would have gone so epically wrong.

Some might have predicted failure for certain reasons, but no one could have seen this failing so badly. Anyone who says they call it only see failure in everything anyways. Much in the way some people always predict doom in every situation... eventually they will be right, but it's not because of anything in they actually knew.

Reich wasn't what we thought he was. Bryce wasn't what we thought he was. That coaching staff wasn't what we thought it was. Nothing was as good as we hoped.

I think we are far better set up for success this time, but that doesn't matter because  thought we were set up for it last time.

Will it work? Some may think they know. We'll just have to  watch and hope it does.

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm left with two possible conclusions here. One, Reich just saw a sucker in Tepper and hit him up for a check to ride into retirement on. Two, Reich took the job expecting a different QB to be the pick probably through his influence of the draft process. He and Bryce seemed like a major mismatch from the get go. Unless he was just looking for one last payday I really don't think he would've taken the job if he felt like Bryce would ultimately be the pick. There was a lot of talk about Reich always preferring QBs with good size and big arms. Now granted, all else being equal who doesn't? But it was always talked about that Bryce was basically the physical antithesis of what Reich had historically preferred at QB.

Hell, maybe it was a little bit of both. I can get this newbie owner to give me a pile of money based on my experience because his woefully inexperienced coach flopped horribly and then hopefully I can influence the draft process to get the QB I want. If not, oh well. At least I got paid! LOL

Option 3....Reich didn't have a clue what to do, especially with a rookie QB. It wasn't that he wanted to draft a different QB. It's that he wanted a vet.

I think he was in over his head even in Indy and barely managed to hang in because of the established QBs he had to work with. He knew what to do with vet QBs looking for a second chance because that's who he was as a pro. And the (limited) success he had as a player himself transferred on to his players.

He didn't really have to reinvent much in Indy like he was going to have to do here.

He was a likeable guy, but he wasn't enough as a leader as was needed for the cast of coaches and personalities he had here. To pull that off you'd need to be the biggest and strongest personality in the room and he never was.

It was just a bad fit for a weak leader and head coach. I just don't think anyone except that for that cokehead in Indy knew just how weak Reich was.

Nice goal. I like it.

I have another one for him.....be better than Olsen.

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

We signed an undrafted free agent from Monmouth (going from memory) who might make the PS--a sleeper, they say.  I watched his highlight tape--he had a solid OL and has good vision--huge holes and seemed to score on 2 offensive plays. 

 

yeah i watched a good bit of him. hard not to put out of my mind that he was having his way with a bunch of small school guys. guy could still be good. 

38 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

he's supposedly running, but it's probably just straight line stuff...no cuts or anything. 

probably not much reason he couldn't do walk throughs, though. 

i hate that. such a rough life he's had. so much promise coming into the league. was hoping that something would click for him.

5 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Sorry man, that analogy is being misinterpreted. The ceiling in your example is 48”. The 32” guy does not have a higher ceiling, he’s just got way more to do than the other guy but 32” guy can’t get to 54”.

What you guys are trying to say is that Harrison, Odunze and Nabers are good enough right now to go top 4 to top 9 but their ceiling is pro-bowler because they’ve had multiple great college seasons and XL has a HOF ceiling because he’s only had one good year.

If XL had so much talent that we could say he has a higher ceiling than those 3, he wouldn’t have gone 33.

You are trying to cap those 3 as pro-bowlers. Those 3 are potentially HOFers. XL does not have HOF ceiling IMHO, but even if you want to say he does, it’s still not “higher” than the rest. I’m not saying the 3 will be, heck it’s more likely that at least one of them is a disappointment, but they absolutely have as high or higher ceiling than XL and a much higher floor.

How do you know they do and he doesn't?

Anyways, it's all personal opinions and none of it has to be justified to anyone. And is there homerism at play? Maybe. And that's ok.

But there's also the possible bias that because he was a panther pick and panthers suck at picking he must suck. And that's also ok.

Does all of it (or any of it) jive with the way you see it? Maybe....maybe not. Does it have to? Nope

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

I think you guys are being way too homerish here. The top 3 guys do not have less upside room. Thats silly and Ill be honest that while yes, every WR in the first few rounds could be the best WR in this class, just because XL is raw does not mean the top 3 have a lower ceiling.

That would be like saying Chase, JJ, Lamb and others didn’t have high ceilings in the NFL because they were already more established.

I welcome the chance that XL becomes a stud but you guys are being way to much of a homer to say he’s got the highest ceiling in a supposedly amazing WR draft with 3 potential studs taken top 10.

Say two guys buy a pair of 48" waist pants. One of them is already 45" waist. The other has a 32" waist. The guy with the 32" waist has more room to grow to fit into the really big pants.

Thank you cba

9 minutes ago, strato said:

True. Then he says some other stuff I forget, it was yesterday. I couldn’t really get a great, or real strong maybe,  justification for Young over the undrafted guy that did beat him, in those subsequent comments. I’d need to listen again.

But the larger claim against the title or headline is correct. Valid.

More people are getting tired of watching him fail though. This sort of truth or fact distortion will (could) start to equal the distortion we saw prior to the draft that was coming from the opposite direction. New theory: I guess if it is a more popular opinion, more dumbasses try and lie for it. 

i can say with 100% certainty that he hasn't failed this year.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10118808-cowboys-trolled-by-nfl-fans-after-panthers-trade-up-to-draft-rb-jonathan-brooks

lots of goodness in that one.

before the draft i had heard that the cowboys were really wanting him as their new bell cow RB. they'd been following his recovery progress and hadn't seen anything to dissuade them from drafting him.

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"In my 30 years, I thought it was the best interview that I've ever interviewed with a player," Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said late Thursday at the team's post-Round 1 press conference. "He's [Brooks] outstanding. He's just outstanding. He's a great football player. We've got him high, high, high. And he's a good player." 

His son Stephen, the Cowboys COO and executive vice president, then elbowed him, saying "you're showing the [draft] board!"

Dallas never had the chance to select Brooks at pick No. 56 since the Carolina traded up six spots from 52nd overall to 46th overall to select the Texas Longhorn. Brooks being the first running back off the board at 46th overall makes the 2024 draft the second-latest the first running back had ever come off the board, ahead of only the 2014 draft (Bishop Sankey 56th overall). 

 

The 2023 Second Team All-Big 12 running back averaged 129.5 scrimmage yards per game in 2023, the second-most in the Big 12, thanks to the six-foot, 216-pound back's combination of speed, agility and acceleration. Brooks' ability to make a single cut and then float to the outside before accelerating into the open field appears to be magical. Last November at TCU, he was on fire with 104 rushing yards and two rushing touchdowns on 21 carries, but his final collegiate season was cut short by a torn ACL injury he suffered in the fourth quarter that night. 

No team possessed more information about Brooks' rehabilitation process than the Cowboys because Dallas' team doctor Dan Cooper performed the running back's ACL surgery. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texas-jonathon-brooks-becomes-first-rb-chosen-after-cowboys-jerry-jones-called-him-outstanding/

whoa...one of the great producers. 

thanks for helping good albums great.

28 minutes ago, csx said:

That's exactly what's being reported 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40039753/patriots-qb-drake-maye-leadership-mack-brown-nfl-draft-unc

3. Blocked by Bills: The Patriots had a trade offer on the table to the Bills late in the first round on Thursday night, according to a source. The Bills were at pick No. 32 (after a trade back with the Chiefs), but instead of dealing with their AFC East rival Patriots for No. 34, they chose Carolina's offer to slide back one spot to No. 33.

 

Receivers Xavier Legette and Keon Coleman were selected at 32 and 33 before the Patriots traded back from 34, so one can deduce the Patriots had either Legette or Coleman as their target -- or possibly both. My hunch is Legette.

nope...sorry. THAT GUY said it didn't happen. 

4 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Sorry to be that guy, but this is a fun story that doesn't really hold up to logic

The Bills would never have traded with the Patriots there to let them get their guy, not for a division opponent.  Even if the Bills traded it to someone else, either they or we would have taken him before the Patriots could anyways, thus the Patriots never stood a chance to get thier guy, so the Bills didn't screw them over.

Just sayin

hey look everyone! it's THAT GUY!

and he loves it

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

vegas has us at roughly 5 wins.  They have been pretty accurate in regards to us the past few years.   So I will trust people with skin in the game as far as realistic takes go.   I think 6 wins is possible but even then thats a lot of bad.  A lot of bad.  Sure we are making positive moves in theory but so is every other team in the nfl.   With tepper its just hard to get pumped as you know he is going to do something.  

And I am on record about the brooks pick being somewhat stupid.  We need center/line/corner help and we dont have the luxury of trading up for a injured running back that we seemingly are going to handle with kid gloves in the short term.  Essentially burning one of his contract years in another poo season.  Why not get everything right and then draft a rb high next season that can literally step in and play day one?  It just doesnt make sense to me.  Brooks isnt some once in a lifetime talent.  So for me it just seems like the same old panthers making some wtf decisions.   I pray I am wrong, I pray morgan has it under control so I guess we will see.  My gut says bryce aint it and we force it another 2 seasons trying to make it work.

First, I think I'd be ok with 5 wins as long as we are more fun to watch and we see improvement. At my most optimistic I see us at 8 wins.

And B....you could very well be right about Bryce. You probably are. I'm just willing to give him a other chance with a better situation and I see reason to feel some hope. Hope involves risk emotionally. I haven't had much reason for anything close to sustainable hope for a long time as a panther fan so I grasp at it when I have a chance just in case it works out. If it doesn't, at least I allowed myself a chance to feel good about the team for a little bit and to me it's worth the risk.

23 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Legette has the most upside of any WR in this draft.  That does not mean he is better, but the room between where he is and where he could become is wider than anyone else--very close to Mitchell.

The guys who are the top 3 in the draft compared to XL have less room for growth. Especially Harrison. He's been groomed his whole life for this by a legend. He's naturally gifted and well trained for being the top. He'll get better, but he won't get much better than where he is right now, imo...not compared to XL.

I'm not saying that XL will be better than Harrison, just that Harrison's floor is a lot bigger than XLs because of the investment made in him from essentially birth. He had advantages that XL just didn't have. XL is just now getting into a position where he can receive solid coaching and opportunity he's never had before. He's naturally gifted an old supposedly very coachable and takes to coaching well. There's no telling how good he can be.

14 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

no offense and I certainly dont want to get into a pissing match with a mod but damn man you seem really upset about posters that have a realistic outlook on the season and franchise in general.   This team for basically a decade has not given us poo to look forward to and being unrealistically optimistic doesnt make one a super fan or something.  Once this team turns the corner and shows something then we can hop on board the train.  Until then tepper is still the owner and we are still a 2 win team.

Who is to say what's realistic and, even at that....who the fug cares what anyone's "realistic" take is?

I'm not upset by anyone's take on it. I'm just an advocate for something other than the take that there's no reason to be optimistic.

A realistic take, in my opinion (because there is no objectivity in anyone's take at this point) is that the season hasn't been played yet and there's been movement that can be seen as us heading in a positive direction ...or a negative one, depending on your perspective.

I don't believe the part to be an accurate predictor of the future if changes have been made.

And don't think you aren't allowed to get in a discussion with me just because I'm a mod. I don't ban people for disagreeing with me.

I just look for reasons to feel good about the team. It's easy to feel like crap about it based on the past. I'm just tired of feeling like that so i quit. We aren't losing yet so why not take a moment to feel ok about what's going on? Again, that's just me. I'm giving an alternative to the easy pessimistic takes.

4 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Such a great mentality to have.

Is it  worse than being pessimistic about the season way before it starts?

4 minutes ago, Johnstonny said:

Cousins is going to look all world till it matters....

cousins is no cam newton. he's no jake delhomme. he's got no clutch in him.

he's kind of a matt ryan lite.

50 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Slow your roll a little. Back in 2021, while many of us just wanted OL with almost every pick, there was a lot of cheering when we got TMJ right before the Saints.

We got all excited for Fittermagic and in the end, we got poo instead of a pro-bowl C many of us wanted and NO got a starting LB and had to double up in 2022 on WR and got Olave and Shaheed.

I don’t think we won the “screwing over” part of the draft then, and it worries me every time I see posts that mirror something we did in the Rhule, Hurney, Fitt and Reich periods.

Here’s to hoping for different results and yes, to all that think cautious hope is terrible, I do actually want Legette and every other move to succeed. The past 6 years has sucked balls.

i ain't slowing nothing down. 

if it leads to a cliff...so be it.

9 minutes ago, travisura said:

Nah they needed weapons.

this. more than anything else, they needed weapons and dammit we got 'em.