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IRS IG Report: Targeting Conservatives Began In 2010


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#25 boostownsme

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:01 PM

Anyone seeing the trend here? 

 

Republicans, completely lacking in any substantive arguments as to why the public should vote for them in 2014, are resorting to their last and best hope... slinging chit like a tribe of irate monkeys, hoping that something, anything sticks.  It reeks of fear and desperation.

 

Did you just refer to an entire political party as monkeys? That's not very progressive of you.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:16 PM

I read about this a couple days ago.  A couple of things to note:  

 

1. before you put your conspiracy hat on remember the head of the IRS was a Bush appointee at the time  

 

2.  these groups were being targeted to make sure their main purpose was not political in nature as such groups would not qualify.  Your non-profit can be politically active but it can't be your main purpose - having 'tea party' in your organization's name certainly raises a flag.

 

3.  it was clearly wrong, don't try to spin it otherwise

 

The AP article is much more informative than the little snippet from abc.  

 

http://bigstory.ap.o...ervative-groups

 



#27 NanuqoftheNorth

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:21 PM

And liberals resorting to "move along, nothing to see here, these aren't the droids you're looking for" mentality. Awesome.

As I mentioned in another thread, there are plenty of important issues for Congress to investigate.  This does not appear to be one of them.   

 

If Republicans want to uncover real corruption in the White House, look no further than the administration's close ties to Wall Street and an Attorney General that admitted he won't make an effort to prosecute the big banks for the financial melt down in 2008.  It would be a slam dunk, but it won't happen.  Why?  Because there would be too many people in Congress, on both sides of the aisle, caught with their hands in the cookie jar.  Same thing with the War in Iraq.   

 

Instead the American public is served up political theater on issues that lower level bureaucrats should be tasked with solving.  Congress is doing what Congress does, trying to look busy and score easy points against their political opponents, all-the-while avoiding the tough issues that require real work and sacrifice on their part. 

 

You know like the economy, jobs, health care, energy and environmental issues that actually impact our society and our children's futures.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:30 PM

Did you just refer to an entire political party as monkeys? That's not very progressive of you.

No I didn't refer to republicans as monkeys.  

 

To be exact, what I said was, "Republicans... are slinging chit "like" a tribe of monkeys".  

 

But in a sense you are right, slinging chit is not conducive to progress.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:41 PM

this is actually p outrageous

its like racial profiling

 

when you consider the fact that taxes are literally slavery, this is way worse than "just" racial profiling



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:22 PM

What if I consider both foundations for likely terrorism?

 

 

My concern here is someone directed the IRS to look into these groups for some reason.

 

It appears to be because they are questioning the tax system and/or were mostly (read all) conservative.

 

Replace "Tea Party" with Black/White/Baptist/Pagan/Short/Tall etc. The IRS was instructed to profile.  Peeps want to know why.

 

dick move: profiling anyone who is individually a conservative for extra analysis because they are conservatives.

 

utilitarian, justified, non-dick move: analyzing certain factions of conservative tea party organizations (not all conservatives are tea-partiers, which is why this headline on the OP is so misleading, probably intentionally so) for keywords that indicate fraudulent activity related to an ideology which is inherently anti-tax.

 

that's the difference between profiling and doing your job in this case, just like in airports where strip searching a person for being brown and wearing a turban is super douchey, but strip searching a person for being brown and wearing a turban dashing through airport security with a package hidden under a vest is due diligence. 



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:05 PM

Weeding out potential tax cheats is not reserved for conservative political front organizations.  The IRS uses profiles on all tax returns.  Recognized indicators of potential fraud are flagged for review.  Items such as extreme changes in income or unusual deductions will get you audited. 

 

The situation with these political front organizations is not at all surprising.  The whole money equals free speech movement was pushed by wealthy conservatives for years.  Once they got their "Citizens United" ruling from the Supreme Court there was no holding them back.  These tax exempt "non political" organizations started popping up over night like dandelion weeds in America's front yard.  It would have been irresponsible of the IRS not to look at these organizations with a jaundice eye.  To do otherwise, would be to deny reality. 

 

It is likely, when this is over, that the IRS will be told to back off on audits of these types of organizations, just like with the churches that regularly violate their tax exempt status by advocating for one party or the other.  In the end it will be considered another victory for unbridled greed in this country and ever increasing control of our state and federal government by wealthy and powerful Crony Capitalists.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:22 PM

Why do churches get tax exempt status anyway?..tax them too without blinking an eye.

Everyone cries we have a spending and revenue problem yet some churches are expanding their multi-media ampitheathers.

I just sold a church an internet fiber connection to their 12 locations that will bill for $14,000.00 a month...they really want the internet! They have an IT dept and coffee shop.

Ironically the pastor of this church drives a car in the 6digit price tag...Praise Him!

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:42 PM

Too bad that's not the only church or pastor.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:11 PM

Nanuq is right - Tea Party organizations were prime candidates after Obamas election to misuse their tax exempt status to fund specific politicians - their operators ran the gamut from naive idealists ripe for manipulation to old school politicians needing to get money back into Republicans hands.

 

The keywords made for an easy search vector for a group of people more likely to misuse funds at a time where they were popping up all over the place. An overworked IRS looking to get the most return on it's investigative budget would have been wise to work the way it did - IF that was the objective. If it turns out to be some manager foisting his politics on his department, well, hang him out to dry.

 

Think of this like the Tea Party equivalent of the ACORN witch hunt, except the odds of the Tea Partiers abusing the system was much greater.



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:51 AM

If it has gotten to this point, you know it's bad

 

http://www.thedailys...--into-darkness



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 12:13 PM

Nothing to see here...keep paying your taxes.