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4 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

Russell Wilson is the missing piece?

No but "this isn't the right situation for Russ" and "I know exactly what he wants" in the same breath says a lot.

He could just think Wilson's washed though, that's what I gathered from the clip. He praises his character but avoids talking about his ability. 

19 hours ago, top dawg said:

Perhaps the most important nugget at ~12 minute mark: You armchair scouts trying to tell him that he didn't know what he was talking about in regards to Mingo need to chill (or STFU).

Steve stop lurking and post with us big bro

Sanders was talked up as a pass catching RB when he was signed and was one of Philly's leading recievers his rookie season. What happened?

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

We don't have a team built to be any more successful than Denver was. At best he's a one year rental and what exactly does that even accomplish?

Sure, he'd immediately be the best QB since Cam but with the "talent" we have assembled, what does that lead to? 6 wins? 7? For what? 

No more quick fixes. This ship is listing over and has more holes in the hull than a wheel of swiss cheese. Just let this sink, accumulate draft capital over the next few seasons and finally do what we should have in 2018.....go through a complete rebuild.

I actually think Dalton is the better option for winning now.  I like Wilson because he's more of a direct comparison to Young (allegedly) and the familiarity would help develop Canales. No team is going to scheme around him like he wants. We just happen to be building a Russell Wilson inspired scheme already for Bryce.

Russ is a dweeb but the continuity would help Canales get his feet under him and Wilson would get a scheme that's indirectly catered to him. I'd prefer him over Dalton if the price is right. 

The only people being dunked on are the morons who believe the pick came down to a crush the owner's wife has and that Reich was put in a hostage situation over it. It's completely valid to criticize her role but it's been exaggerated.

On 3/3/2024 at 12:08 PM, frankw said:

Oh geez people are citing the dinner the Tepper's had with Stroud? Have we not learned how meaningless all that is by now?

It’s more than the stupid photo y’all been citing for a year

They hinted at it after the draft. No mention of Nicole and Bryce being close here but clowns locked on to a picture of a hug.

https://www.panthers.com/news/conviction-inside-story-panthers-2023-nfl-draft-bryce-young

6 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

If we don’t draft a WR at 33, I’ll be really disappointed. There’s good OT depth but I don’t see a top guy falling to 33. We could get a WR at 33 that would normally be a mid first pick due to the WR class depth. We have to take advantage of draft value especially when it’s a huge need. We fuged up last year going Mingo instead of TE in a monster deep class.

Yeah we have a short QB who rarely goes deep ffs. It’s crazy to me that TE isn’t a priority.

The stark contrast between his confidence and Stroud's last year. More like Levis the way he acts like there's nothing to prove and it's all a big joke.

53 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No medical testing for Caleb Williams at the combine...

 

I don't like it personally but the more I think about it all of this is probably going to work out in his favor. He might lose a couple mil if he falls in the draft but it'll be worth it long term to go to a better team, and one that's willing to let him call the shots like that. How Bryce, CJ, and Caleb pan out I think is going to change how the top prospects approach the draft going forward.

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I think the solution is still neglecting to address the same issue I had going into last season.  If Bryce Young is your QB......a backfield of only Hubbard and Sanders is a flawed one.   Bryce needs a legit 3rd down type RB.  A legit pass catching RB.  Just because you log some catches doesn't make you one. That has to be part of the scheme.  And both Hubbard and Sanders are early down runners ideally. 

Sanders makes too much money to just be spelling Hubbard. Take advantage of Chuba's come up and make them a real Smash & Dash duo. Misdirection in the backfield will make everything easier on them and Young. I like your roster building ideas.

13 hours ago, CRA said:

in 2022 Fields set the #2 all time mark for rushing yards by a QB.  Fields was still offering something.   

and people called the cast around Bryce Young the BEST one assembled in a long time.  Until Bryce couldn't do anything with any of it.  People were never praising Field's entering 2022. 

Bryce Young was really bad.  No point trying to compare him to better players that disappointed.  It's always just going to end up highlighting how awful Bryce Young and we were. 

Ehhh the coaches were hyped up but I don’t remember the roster being. We had just recently lost CMC and DJ.

17 hours ago, t96 said:

lol I think the last few games scoring like 25 in each first half has shown that Clifford has to go regardless. Respect the dude but he's just not the coach this team needs. Glad to see the D playing better but it's been at the significant expense of scoring. We need a coach who can figure out both and actually develop our guys. Clifford has never been known for young player development

How much more can we expect with Mark and LaMelo in street clothes all year? We aren’t contending without them. Now that we’re playing defense well I definitely think it’s worth seeing Clifford’s offense with the core back together. 

I’m with you on player development though. I wouldn’t rush to re-sign him but I do think it’s on the table now and I wouldn’t have said that a month ago.

The gameplan talk has been encouraging but I'm waiting to see some edge or something unexpected from him. He's still in new hire best behavior mode but the youth pastor energy is going to get old quick when we're 0-3. Can you really foster a dog mentality in the locker room when the QB and head coach are Nice Guys?

#1 defense since the trade deadline. Can't believe I'm saying this but they gotta consider picking up the team option on Clifford next year if the team finishes strong

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

I guess I'm going to have to find some clips and do some research (you know, like what percentage Baker played under center). I'd just like to see him say---and maybe he has---that he's going to design an offense around Bryce Young's strengths. [I kinda chuckled when I said "Young's strengths," but I'm admittedly being overly negative] Mayfield and Young are hardly the same QB, and we don't have a Mike Evans.

West Coast spread offense and a lot of play action under center from what I’ve read. His core philosophy is to try to minimize pressure on the OL. We’ll see if he pulls it off but he’s saying the right things.

If we’re spreading the ball around effectively we don’t necessarily need a Mike Evans, and especially if Young really has a problem throwing deep. I think this was the idea when we drafted him (“point guard” sounds sexier than calling your #1 pick the franchise “game manager”) but Reich and Brown’s system just didn’t follow the plan. It’s probably where the rift in the staff stemmed from. 

I just want to see how Bryce looks when it’s not obvious to defenses that we’re passing. We would have to won more games last year if they had just done that, the bar is low.

19 hours ago, rayzor said:

it's because we know the reality of the situation. we aren't one or two players away from being really competitive. if we blow our load on one elite player, that's going to hurt our chances of getting more good players to fill in the ranks.

you go all in for one and it makes you really top heavy. top heavy things fall/fail easier.

Every need you leave unfilled has a ripple effect though. If the recievers suck what would that do for Young's development? I'm hesitant on trading Burns because I remember how not having a good pass rush crippled the team on both sides of the ball. You're not wrong but kicking the can on a need is as big of a decision as investing money into it. 

11 hours ago, top dawg said:

I just listened to him. It's a bunch of generalities. He ain't really saying anything. It's a bunch of coach-speak. It's going to be a waiting game until the action starts and we see what we have, boys and girls. 

He's keeping it vague for the cameras but he's basically talking about the same offense he ran in Tampa

15 hours ago, CRA said:

well, I don't walk away from that talk/plan of action thinking that our new HC believes Bryce Young was a #1 overall give up the farm type QB.   

Any HC in 2024 that is putting his emphasis on running the rock and seeing what happens imo doesn't believe they drafted  someone that has "it".  

 

I wouldn't read too much into it. We've been saying since last year got that we have to get some semblance of a run game and play action going for Bryce to have a chance. Tepper ran Reich out of town over it. I could have told you that was going to be the next coach's philosophy.

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's my understanding that you can't really prep for it all that much. 

Bryce has taken it multiple times since high school (maybe CJ did too but I didn't see any stories on it). I think it's like the SAT where the questions won't be the same but you can still practice the test to get a general idea. 

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd just have my clients take it beforehand so that I know what the results are gonna be. If the results will be beneficial for them have them take it. If not, don't. Just like they already do with all the combine workouts.

Idk all the prep Bryce did for it was probably better spent in the weightroom in hindsight.

21 hours ago, MtnJax said:

I think if you asked Cam, he would agree, but part of what made Cam who he was on Sundays was going up against the defense in practice. TD and JNo talking poo to him and Cam pushing back, even getting into the fight with JNo. Who on our defense now is pushing Bruce like that? Talking poo to him? Probably no one and I imagine Bryce wouldn’t handle it as well as Cam, but it would make Bryce better in the long run if he got that kind of competitive edge to him

I think Bryce would handle it actually. Old videos of him and CJ ribbing each other makes him seem like a guy who's used to it and knows how to roll with the punches. Problem is he's nice so everyone just wants to adopt him.

10 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make from the first part. He took over from good DCs so it’s not his fault he’s not as good as them?  And as to the second part, sure he’s a better leader than Reich or Rhule but see my above post for my full feelings on him as an HC. His absolute ceiling as a HC is a poor man’s Rivera. I saw him as HC for us, he’s WAAAY too conservative and scared. Nothing would be worse than to get stuck in the purgatory of being good enough to not get fired but too bad to be a contender. 

I agree with this except I think with the right coordinators he could be as good or better than Rivera. He's got the same locker room dad thing going for him that Ron did but even moreso. I don't like that approach to the staff though because 1.) you have to hit on the coordinators 2.) if they're successful you won't keep them for very long and there's no consistency.

So yeah he's a good leader but I also don't want him calling plays. HC is more than just a supervisor role.