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Also think about all the weapons that some of these guys have had versus what Cam has had.

Simply put, you have to use something, and the passer rating is about as simple and impartial as it gets. There is just no perfect way to do it, but to use a stat that can be applied across the board, regardless of system, is about the best and most easily understandable. The QB has to be efficient regardless. Of course there are the other factors and intangibles that you may not be able to quantify, but some things have to be judged by the eye test and the gut. It is notable that QBs on the list with the highest career passer ratings largely have the best winning percentages and/or championships (mind you I am referring to the relatively modern day QBs). I don't believe that it's a coincidence, and neither do the experts. One thing I will point out, which is a valid criticism, is that it doesn't take running into account, but it's really not about running (which we know adds great value to Cam's status). Moreover, I believe that people should give credit to Cam as being a better passer than some would lead us to believe. Basically, I think it is just a way to put some more perspective into the argument that Cam is more good than mediocre. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders But here is the wiki explaining the formula, history and theory behind it. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating

Was that a Fansided article?

Moreover, are you trying to suggest that Foles, Kap, Griffin, and Wilson are better than Andre Luck? Some people may think so, but most don't.

Sorry. Try again. QBs must throw throw at least 1,500 passes for the regular season, and 150 attempts for the postseason, before their stats can even qualify for NFL career passer rating rankings.

Ok, so you want to play the peer game. Here are your rankings (the first three are tops of all time): Aaron Rodgers 106.0 Tony Romo 97.6 Peyton Manning 97.5 Tom Brady 95.9 Philip Rivers 95.7 Drew Brees 95.4 Ben Roethlisberger 95.9 Matt Ryan 91.1 Matt Schaub 89.9 Andrew Luck 86.6 Carson Palmer 86.3 Cam Newton 85.4 Now suffice it to say that Schaub has seen better days, and if you take into account that a lot of these guys are probably not going to be around in three years, who do you think is going to be near the top of the league? Then, again for shits and giggles, just think of the weapons that some of these QBs have had over the years and compare them to what Cam has had. You got to be kidding me, dude. His passer rating is not that far off from Andrew Luck, the purported gold standard of the young QBs. Like I said, give Cam better conditions, or at least those equal to some of his peers before you throw him under the bus. What you're trying to insinuate about him just being not that good is totally false, and that's before you take his running into account.

Kid brought a cap gun to the fight, but he didn't realize that I had a 12 gauge.

It may surprise some if you that through the 2014 season, Cam ranks 24th on the list for career passer rating. This with arguably suspect protection and receivers. So give the guy a break, and let's wait for a more optimum environment before we throw him under the bus. BTW, Tannehill is number 31 on that list.

And we're talking passer rating, folks. Not running.

I am fully aware that our defense played great football for the last four games. That's not even debatable. But, did he improve or not? For shits and giggles, since you're so into numbers and extrapolation, how did our receiving corps do during that four game stretch, and extrapolate that through a full season. And were you a Jake Delhomme fan by chance? Were you able to watch Elway, Marino, or Favre? Did you see Flacco and Eli Manning win the Super Bowl? You ever heard of Staubach, Unitas or Jurgensen? Well, that 87.4 percent passer rating in those last four games was higher than the career passer rating for all of them. And the passer rating, besides winning of course, is arguably the most important stat of them all.

I guess that you, and others I might add, just think that it's a coincidence that as Cam's protection got better, he got better last year.

I have been suspect at times about Cam as a QB at times, but I am not going to label him as trash or the best thing since sliced bread until I see him in a good situation. I have seen him do some amazing things during his career, and I am surely not going to give up on him, or talk down about him until he gets a weapons upgrade.

And you just disregard the other years. Comparing careers is more accurate in my estimation, but continue on with your agenda.

I have my eye on him. From all accounts he is the epitome of a solid receiver--not great, but solid. His pedestrian combine numbers don't really give him justice as far as his work ethic, football savvy, and ability to move the chains. That being said, I would still take Perriman or Agholor over Hardy because of the explosiveness factor.

Well I am just going to have to disagree with you that Tannehill had worse weapons than Cam, and I am pretty sure most of the NFL world would also. There were valid concerns regarding our receiving corps that we have poo pooed the last couple---err, few years actually, and the concerns have been valid, particularly when we come across teams that have them. Moreover, you seem to be only taking one year into account. Both have played several years and have been in decidedly different situations, from weapons to protection. All that being said, at the end of the day those that know football the best believe that Cam is probably the better QB who can prove it with a better cast. Most have him and Tannehill right in the same tier, but note that if Cam can get it together that he is the superior option to a noodle-armed Tannehill.

I am not even talking about money, but...I am sure we can get q high quality cheap replacement... Seriously, I could go down nearly every roster in the NFL and dispel your belief. But that aside, because I am sure that we could probably play ping pong all night, Corey Brown is a smallish, injury prone JAG who is not as fast as his Huddle reputation. His special teams value is damn near nil now and he doesn't have the best hands (although not the worst at 5.6% according to Sporting Charts). His 2.7 YAC is extremely pedestrian, on KB's level, even though he is mistakenly billed by some as fast and/or quick. Regardless of how bad some want him to be Steve Smith or DJax, the guy is easily replaceable. But for a stubborn coach who seems to put a higher priority on loyalty to marginal players than he should, Brown would be upgraded (and still might). Now you know how I feel.

The reason I asked is because it's kind of curious for the head coach to want to bench someone and not do it. Hell, the buck stops with him. Of course we are talking about Joe Philbin. Ok , the fans were somewhat split on Tannehill before the end of the season, but Tannehill had a decent season all things considered. It would be I there sting to see how he fares in polls now. One thing about it, the media seems more supportive, and football experts are not as down on him as some of the fan base (kind if like Cam). The thing is, Cam is considered the more talented guy who just may bring it all together with better weapons (and that ain't got jack squat to do with Tannehill). Even Bill Polian is coming around. And almost 100 percent of everyone and their mama says Cam needs better weapons, so I don't see arguing that he doesn't.

What coach?

Hartline is a solid receiver as well. He has put up two thousand yard seasons to support Tannehill.

The jury is still out on whether Tannehill and Cam can reach elite status, but both are largely considered solid enough QBs. Of course Cam has a huge edge in rushing which probably tip the scales in his favor, but I don't get people trying to use him as a comparison for Cam in the sense that he is heads and shoulders above him from a statistical point. He is not. The main difference from what I can see is that the Dolphins fan base as a whole is more accepting and appreciative of Tannehill than Panthers fans are with Cam.

An answer to what. You obviously think that Brown is all that and a bag of chips. I don't. No reason to belabor the difference in opinion.

Well he needs to be replaced by someone...

Shameless homerism

And one more thing that I forgot to mention, I disagree with you on this statement even moreso than about Perriman. Clayton Geathers is well worth looking into. He had great production, is smart and football savvy, and works hard. Like most prospects, he needs to be coached up, but there is some talent there. Of course he has a football pedigree also, but you'll probably take off points for that...

Cam isn't perfect, and will never be. He may not ever have the pristine footwork or consistency in mechanics, but his strength in conjunction with his athleticism is really unparalleled at the position. In my opinion, when you calculate positives and negatives he is good enough to get us where we want to go. The thing is, we will never know unless he gets a marked weapons upgrade and better than average protection on the field at the same time. I can't genuinely proclaim Cam a bust or the GOAT until the questions surrounding him are answered to a satisfactory level, much less an expert level. Once a better situation is developed for him, then I can just focus on Cam. Until then, there is no true clarity.