WOW!!

The point of this change in many opinions is the thinking that Greg might actually be willing to play here for below his value. .. If he wasn't Bill Voth wouldn't even waste his time writing this story. .. The only reason Smitty wasn't more of a money pit at times. . Is because the Panthers didn't punish his actions accordingly. . He could have been suspended more for fights with teammates and fights against opponents. . It is very hard to see Hardy coming back here unless he is willing to effectively bend to the Panthers demands... but the only reason this is even discussed now is this might be a possibility. ..

That's your opinion of what he doing.. but it's pretty funny you think you can determine the intent of another person WRITING. ..

I don't think Bill would even put this out unless he is truly hearing Greg is willing to make concessions to be on this team... just my opinion. . Bill 2 major points on Greg not being here were if no legal actions were taking against him.. were " Greg's asking price for his services" and "Jerry's level of trust and forgiveness".. 1 or both of these things must be happening for Voth to soften on his opinion. .

It might not be the Vet Minimum that gets him to sign.. And Voth's article is saying that Greg may be willing to play for below market Value to stay here and prove himself to Jerry and the team. I agree he should take tge money and run.. But what we thought about Greg wanting money instead of being here might be wrong. .

I agree..

Was it in JR heart to forgive SMitty as Bright was getting carried out the building to the hospital to get his Jaw fixed and his eye reattach? Jerry being a former player listen to his locker room. . And Players might not know what Hardy will do.. but it seems like the leaders are willing to stake their reputation on him.. And that should mean a lot to a former player.. In my opinion Gettlemen is a shrew business man type GM... And if he can get a top 10 pass rushers for below market value on a prove it deal...he will..

Trust can be attained if Greg is willing to play for below his market value on a prove it deal.. Gettlemen nor Jerry aren't dumb.. if they can get a top 5 pass rushers on a below market prove it deal they will.. Don't act like Jerry hasn't made a business decision before. . Smitty got away with worse and still got paid by Jerry..

That's my point... If Bill Voth is getting different messages than before... it's because Greg is willing to be loyal to the team and Jerry will (for the right Price) make a business decision.. Getting a top 5 pass rushers way below his market value who is showing you he is contrite to the situation he put his team in... is a good business move...especially if the team and coaching staff are on board with bringing hom back... it's a win win situation. ..

I think you're over exaggerating what most of the pro Hardy people are saying. .Most of us are only saying it's not a sure thing he won't be on this team.. If Greg is willing to except the parameters that were set out by Voth's article than there's a chance he will be back... I don't think Greg will because money talks... but if he is willing like Voth's says he might be.. I don't see why the Panthers wouldn't bring him back..

Yes I go.. and the NFL looking at the same evidence that again wasn't enough to follow thru without the "victim" testimony might make a different judgment call.. Let's be real IGO the 1st judge (with no reason) chose to go with the victim story (that change 3x) ... while most of us and local media had question about her credibility. ..

You are so full of it on this subject. . You had no problem agreeing and running with Voth when it fit your opinion. . Now that the person who was the 1st on the "Hardy not being back bandwagon" is admitting that a change in that mindset is possible. . You call him a fluff writer... This isn't Panthers .com... Voth doesn't work for the team.. He wouldn't make a fluff piece contradicting his strongly posted opinion. ..He has had since the beginning of the season. .. Unless he is getting a different info than he was getting before. . And really all he is saying now is that Hardy maybe trying to get back on the team and he has a swell of support from members and staff of the team who Jerry might listen to... He still believes it won't happen... He's only admitting now that it isn't as much of a sure thing as it was before. .

And the league might find like most people who actually read followed and read the testimony in this case that it was a judgment call by the 1st judge... Not really a fact base conviction. . The league might make a different judgment call based on the evidence. . That again wasn't good enough for the prosecutor to go thru with the jury trial. ..

Greg Olsen is another candidate and CJ word probably carries weight as well..

Yes being accused 3x and paying 3 different people off makes you look more guilty...yes I know crazy concept. .

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Noooooooooo!! He walked out the door with them begging him to stay.. You must have forgotten they offered Pep the richest defensive player deal at that time and he threw back in their faces..

He could get 2 games but he won't get 6... Rodger can't fly 6 games past the NFLPA for embarrassment. .

3 is not equal to 1.. isn't that simple. .

Ben was on his 3rd accusers. . At that point guilt or innocence isn't a question... He was looking like a public menace. . The league had to look like they were doing something. . This is Greg's 1st incident. . If you get a speeding ticket once you don't get the same punishment as somebody on their 3rd ticket. .

Players as Bill Voth reported are doing more than being asked and giving the obligatory "we want Greg back".. They are actually going to the Big Cat about it..

His teammates sure think so...

And unlike the 1st judge the fact that those were taking 10 hours later will be questioned. .

It will be when the NFLPA files a grievance and takes the matter to court..

Are you even going to acknowledge that Ben was on his 3rd rape accusers before they did anything? ? I'm sorry that one situation started to look like a "pattern" and one is a isolated 1st incident. .

Not in this situation. . No admission of guilt. . No video of the action. . Evidence not good enough without the "victim" testimony. .