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and did anyone take the time to really see if there was a correlation between the scores and sucess? because if they didn't any opinion whether they were actually helpful or not is nothing more than a guess. With as much money and resources that most NFL teams dedicate to the draft I'm sure some of the teams actually did, and the fact that the test stayed part of the combine for this long might indicate there was actually some sort of correlation that at least some of the teams appreciated, but that is just a guess.

I'm actually a fan of drafting O-line, just this thought around here that we have spend 4 draft picks over the next few years to get a good O-line is ludicrous. Also you don't need an elite o-line to be successful in this league, and hardly any teams in the league has above average starters. Lets say we draft a LT in the 1st and move BC to guard and both above average. Moton stays at RT and maybe Elflein stays at center. Cheap vet for RG. Maybe you end up with: Above average Above Average Below Average Average Good Honestly that is probably an above average or even top-10 line in the league, relatively speaking.

unless you have access to every player any assumption about a correlation is nothing more than a guess

seeing how I only looked at a few teams I'm guessing its more that you think, since you said show me "one"

both tackles were 2nd rounders of other teams

based on the ESPN depth chart Arizona only has one drafted starter: Arizona Cardinals Depth Chart | ESPN

Rams have 2, a 5th and 4th rounder

and traded for another, and I think Wylie who was drafted by another team has also played a good bit this year. So for a decent amount of the year they have two of their own draft picks start on the line, a second and 6th rounder. Whereas we have had a 2nd and 3rd.

Why Rob Gronkowski wanted to save all his NFL paychecks (cnbc.com) story was early in his career he saved his NFL paychecks and just lived off endorsements. If that is true that makes him smarter than most people period.

do we know that or are we just assuming? You would think at some points some team tried to look at the data and see if there was some type of correlation to success.

I'm a fan of drafting Oline but what about KC? Didn't they revamp some of it through FA and trades?

? I was trying to explain a mindset, sorry if you didn't follow.

I never said those players were not higher rated then Pickett, I'm not sure I would draft Pickett in the top 10. My point is that very rarely will a QB be the highest rated player on a team's board at any given point in a draft, which you disagreed with. There will almost always be a safer non QB pick, short of having the number 1 pick in a Manning or Luck type of year. Even with Cam there safer picks, but as some point a team has to gamble somewhat on a QB.

I wasn't talking about the panthers specifically. I was referring to this mindset that when people don't want to trade down, they convince themselves that the player available at the spot they are at is exponentially better than the next available pick. "If Neal is available at 6 i don't want to trade down because he is a 100% chance of being a hall of famer and the next guy only has a 50% of being good" This mindset happens every year and every year history tells us its not true. I'm sure fans last year said the same thing about Sewell and Slater. "If Sewell is available stay put because the drop off is too much to the next guy" Turns out Slater is looking to be just as good. The lions could have traded down and got more assets.

In all those examples there were hither rated players available that were statistically safer. Sewell was probably rated higher than Wilson on most boards, maybe Chase and Pitts also. At the very least any logical person would consider them safter picks. Derrick Brown was rated higher than Herbert and was considered safter by most also. Watson wasn't even drafted in the top 10 so that tells you everything you need to know. If teams had him rated that high he would have never fallen out of the top 10 being a QB. They might have been rated high but this idea that they were BPA is naive. Fact is QBs are almost always inherently a greater risk then a non QB that is also available at that same position. This is too be expected because its a much more important position.

Even with Wilson being rated that high you could make the arguemetn that Pitts, Chase, or Sewell had higher higher grades and were "safer" picks. QBs are very rarely the safest pick at any point in any draft.

Exactly ^ You don't need a good O-line to be a good team, but you do need a good QB. A good QB with an average O-line will win more games then a good O-line with an average QB. An o-line doesn't have to be great just good enough to allow your QB to be great. With that being said our O-line has been next level bad so our fans have a hard time understanding that.

Thats a valid question. Maybe him playing G, means we have an even worse person playing LT. Maybe its not that think he is a worse guard than those two but they think he is a better backup LT than anyone else at this point? If Cam Erving stays healthy all year does BC maybe play more guard and end up winning one of those spots?

and they went first. hence the reason I said "unless you have the 1st overall pick"

2015? that's convenient 2014 Greg Robinson 2013 Luke Joekel 2012 Matt Kalil I do agree they are a lot safer than QBs, but lets don't act like they are sure things

maybe, maybe not First of all there is no guarentee that Darnold will be starting, maybe they bring in someone else. Also look at the dolphins in 2019, they went out of their way to tank for Tua, terrible roster and they still ended picking 5th, turned out Tua fell to them anyway, but the point is you can't always guarntee that you will have a top pick. If we do decide to go for a QB in 2023 then we probably need to to commit to being bad and maybe trade one or two of players for picks, such as Moore or Burns.

So what happens when you improve the oline and you go 8-9 and you are picking 14th, and since its a better QB class all of the good QBs go in the top 10 and you end up picking a QB that you have rated lower than what you can get this year.

Nobody is going to think any of these QBs are a safer pick then some of the non-QBs in this draft. That isn't the point. QBs are almost never the safter pick, sooner or later you just have to gamble. With that being said this might not be the year to gamble, or maybe by trading down you reduce the gamble somewhat by acquiring extra picks but people need to give up on this idea that a QB is going to be the BPA. Unless you happen to have the 1st overall pick in a year there is a Luck or Lawrance type talent it just doesn't happen.

One year wonder, without any overly spectacular physical tools, definitely not the kind of prospect that fans get excited about. Like you said though, a lot of the same things fans said about Burrow and now he is looking like one of the best QBs in the league. Teams that need QBs will talk themselves into prospects, when looking at Pickett they will keep thinking about Burrow. I'm sure Josh Allen helped Trey Lance some, physical Qbs with tools that were inaccurate. Lamar Jackson will help Willis get drafted. Its just the way the league works. Mahomes got people excited about Wilson. He feels somewhat risky to draft that high but he might prove us all wrong, the little I have watched he does seem to do some things well.

Even if BC isn't able to be a great guard I'm not sure i still pass on a LT that I think can be great just to keep a LT that is solid. I get what you are saying about wasting resources but OT is one place I don't mind "wasting" a little. It would just be hard for me to pass on a guy that I think can be a top flight LT if my current guy might top out at above average. I almost value my OT3 as much or more than some of my starters. How many times does someone get hurt, or they become a free agent. Tackles are so expensive and so hard to find, especially ones that can play on the left. How many times has a team gone into a big game and had a tackle hurt and it actually cost them? it seems to happen alot Like you said if Rhule would have played him more this would be an easier question to answer.