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I really hope the report comes out before the Super Bowl, so it can be settled one way or another. If the Patriots win it'll be utterly tainted if they haven't released a report yet. And it would be even worse if they release a report a week later and are found guilty.

It baffles me how the NFL is like the reverse MLB. In baseball, if a pitcher messes with a ball, puts tar, whatever on it, it's a fine, a warning, basically a slap on the wrist. However if someone gets busted on PEDs it's a fuging huge deal, the media runs with it and there are monumental penalties. However in the NFL, we have a Super Bowl team busted for PEDs 7 times in a few years, and the league and media couldn't care less. However a team potentially tampering with balls and we have people calling for a lifetime ban. Really messed up priorities.

That would mean they had a record of the psi before the game, though, which is something I question. According to a former ball boy for the Bears he never saw them actually measure psi, only give the old palm test and check the laces before approving them.

there's really no need for this sort of attitude, dude.

I'll remember this complete impartiality when the results reveal no tampering. I'm sure you'll say "Very well then, the Patriots are not cheaters."

Or it could have been at the bottom of the stack and insulated. Things aren't always uniform like that.

Have they said Colts balls weren't deflated at all, or did they say they were legal? If the Colts balls were inflated to the max, and Patriots balls were inflated to the min, then if they both deflated 2psi the Colts balls would still be legal whereas Patriots would not.

But let me guess, you'd totally believe Pete Carroll if he denied a culture of PEDs since he took over in Seattle.

lol ok

lmao

please

my hobby is fighting you irl

Yeah I realized that after I posted, hence the edit.

Everyone's opinions are biased. That's what humans do. Nobody in this thread is looking at the situation and saying "Oh yes I am utterly objective." As Panthers fans your opinion is going to be colored already. I'm a Panthers fan, 100%. The Patriots aren't even any sort of 'second team' to me, go back and find gameday threads from when we've played them, I cheer as hard as for any other game. Ted Ginn burning them in 2013 was my favorite moment of the past few years. Some matters I want to defend them on and I'm not objective. That's.... really not a big deal.

I had a cousin on the Patriots from 2005-2008.

Not only unsubstantiated, but Harbaugh has flat denied it.

Your gotcha game needs as much work as your reading comprehension. When someone says a phrase like 'most likely scenario' or similar it's usually an indication that it's a theory, not a conclusion.

i'm not sure if you're replying to the wrong post, but I don't find Brunell credible at all. The guy blew through 50 million dollars and is now bankrupt, he's a fugin moron. When Theisman runs an independent test and can't tell the difference between the balls, then Brunell and Jerome "Embarrassed by the Patriots" Bettis stand on the ESPN set and toss a football to each other and say "Oh yeah definitely that's 11 psi, I can totally tell," they're feeding you the biggest line of horse poo.

why am i even still awake

Joe Theisman ran a test and couldn't tell the difference with a 2psi deflated ball. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/01/21/joe-theismann-steve-young-nfl-deflategate-patriots/22130249/

Of course it was his decision, he's the person who it benefits. The thing we don't know though is when the deflating happened, as there's so far no actual evidence it happened on the sideline. If it happened before the initial inspection it's perfectly legal. If it happened after that, why can they not find any evidence or footage of someone deflating the balls on the sideline?

At this point from what I've seen, the most likely scenario is that the balls were improperly tested in the pre-game approval. Adam Schefter has reported that the league is having trouble finding any evidence of tampering, despite over 50 cameras in the area. Combined with a former Bears ball boy coming out and saying that most often the pregame inspection consisted of the refs holding the footballs and looking at the laces, without actually measuring anything, and that in all his time as a ball boy the refs didn't reject a single ball. I think what is gonna end up being the case is that the Patriots deflated the balls before the pre-game, in the same manner that the Packers overinflate theirs, and the refs failed to properly test them before approving them for use.

Sports Science today illustrated that 2psi deflation comes out to 1 millimeter of grip and makes the ball travel .003 seconds slower. Probably provides as much advantage as Marshawn's cheating gold cleats, so thankfully he'll be suspended for the Super Bowl.

If that's true then I misinterpreted what Simms is saying. If it's not true then I'm right. Either way, I win.

Apparently every NFL player and coach to have made a comment on the issue is a biased Patriots supporter.