Mr. Scot

Apparently this is getting to be a thing with the Eagles...

You gotta have more than one play to prove that argument. It has to be consistent for the entire series.

That doesn't require being in prevent. Hell, we used to have two man rushes called back when we had Eric Washington running the defense.

Brown will likely need to go to Joe Brady route. i.e. drop down to being a position coach again for a year or two, study and learn more about being an effective play designer and caller, etc. Then maybe he can try again later.

Tomlin is not going to be fired at the end of this season. There's speculation that he could be on the hot seat next season if things continue. And while nobody would argue he's accomplished a lot, if it comes to that point there will be a reason. Make no mistake, the Steelers are a mess right now. You've got players openly dogging it on plays and acting in ways that would have been unthinkable with Steeler teams of the past. That's part of why this is even able to be discussed right now. Also worth noting that a lot of the Steelers success came when the leadership braintrust consisted of Tomlin and Kevin Colbert. The combo of Tomlin and Omar Khan isn't looking nearly as good. Bottom Line: Never assume that someone who's very successful in one situation is automatically going to be successful in another. Just ask George Seifert.

Kurt Warner had the best take on this. The average fan is going to say that the difference between "game manager" and "game changer" is athleticism, The ability to make plays with their legs, etc. Those things make for cool highlights and all, but what makes a professional championship winning quarterback is consistency in the passing game. A guy who can consistently make the right decisions and get the ball to the right player / spot will win you way more games than a guy who can make an occasional highlight reel run. If you have somebody who can do both of those things, that's great. If you have to choose between one or the other though, you take the passer. Also worth noting that athleticism fades with time and wear, but a guy who knows what he's doing doesn't lose that knowledge from getting older or taking hits. Bottom Line: Game manager is a style of play and should never be considered an insult or a negative.

That was an illusion though. We might find out next year that a lot of Young's issues from this season were too.

I'd say we need both, but they don't necessarily have to be one guy. As far as patience, when I'm tempted to rush things, I just repeat the phrase "Rob Johnson could start for 20 NFL teams"

I'd want a bigger sample size before going that route

Nobody's patient enough for that. It's the lottery ticket mentality. This ticket wasn't a winner so let's toss it in the trash and go buy a new one. Shiny new toys are more fun anyway, right?

I don't think it's possible this year. Speculation is s that it might be next year though, if things don't get better.

No argument. Meant to mention that but forgot to...

Seriously. Nobody is playing prevent defense in that situation. That'd be insane

Appreciates, and same. My Christmas involves grandkids, one of whom is a teenager who wants clothes with designer labels, so...

You left out the part about telling the expert how to do his job 🫥

To be fair, a thousand yards isn't the benchmark it used to be. The NFL started recognizing thousand yard rushers back when there were only 12 games. With the number of games we have now, you don't even have to hit a hundred yards a game to be a thousand yarder (fifteen hundred is a much better goal) With that said... Hubbard is definitely having his best season and proving himself valuable to the team. A lot of us had him written off before the season started. He's been able to show everybody that was wrong-headed of us.

Granted, and probably also true of Delhomme, but neither were "mastermind" types To be honest, that particular type of quarterback is very rare. I'm not sure there is one in the NFL right now.

NFL insider Mike Sando writes in The Athletic about what went wrong in the development of Bryce Young and what people are saying about the Panthers and David Tepper. With regard to Tepper, the theme seems to be questioning whether or not he's learned anything from his mistakes. Mike Sando's Pick Six (subscription required) First up, the mistake of the "all star staff" and Tepper: Too many cooks in the kitchen? What the 2023 Panthers did not learn from the 2020 Eagles. The headline from colleague Joe Person’s 2023 Panthers retrospective sounded ominous: “What happened with the Panthers? ‘Hunger Games’ culture, backstabbing and another fired coach.” Only a few months prior, team owner David Tepper had celebrated the Panthers’ ability to assemble what, at best, might have sounded like an all-star staff. Jim Caldwell, Josh McCown and Thomas Brown would be joining coach Frank Reich and Reich’s former Indianapolis assistant Parks Frazier to aid in the development of rookie quarterback Bryce Young. I’ve been struck in retrospect by what an NFL exec from another team said about the situation in mid-October, when Carolina took an 0-6 record into is bye. “I think Frank Reich has too many cooks in the kitchen,” this exec said then. “They are too top-heavy, where there are too many people with opinions, and for a young quarterback, it is a recipe for disaster. You have Thomas Brown, who has head-coaching aspirations. You have Josh McCown, who has head-coaching aspirations. Then you have Jim Caldwell. That is a third voice. Then you add Frank. That is a fourth. Then you add Parks Frazier. That is a fifth. “Even if it is not malicious, you get in a situation where there are too many guys trying to put their signature on a process.” The situation recalls the 2020 Philadelphia Eagles, who finished 4-11-1 in Doug Pederson’s final season with the team, as quarterback Carson Wentz’s career unraveled. That staff featured Pederson, pass game coordinator/quarterbacks coach Press Taylor, senior offensive assistant Rich Scangarello and senior offensive consultant Marty Mornhinweg, among others. Lots of big names. Too many voices? Tepper coveted the idea of an all-star coaching staff. What lessons did he learn? ... Next, speculation regarding the team's next coaching search: Panthers: Carolina seems likely to seek another offensive-minded head coach, which could allow the Panthers to keep defensive coordinator Ejiro Evero. The question here is to what extent Tepper’s reputation for meddling might steer leading candidates toward other opportunities. “I don’t know if Tepper is a quick learner, but we know he is a quick decision-maker,” an exec said. “Does he go, ‘Alright, I need to give this up and give it all to Bill Belichick?'” ... And finally, a note about yesterday's vanquished opponent: Falcons: Losing 9-7 at Carolina shined an even brighter light on coach Arthur Smith, whose offense ranks 25th in EPA per play and is producing 7.1 fewer EPA per game than last season, the seventh-largest drop from 2022, per TruMedia. “Some of it could come down to who picked the quarterback and whether somebody was really, really firm on (Desmond) Ridder, or was it, ‘Hey, we’ll give this a year and see how it plays out, instead of paying Derek Carr,'” an exec said.

That assumes he wants to stay. It's entirely possible that he may have other, better opportunities. But even if he doesn't, no Tepper should not meddle again.

In actual game news, holy sh-t what a play

Kony Early showed up. Arguably would have been the MVP of the game if we'd won. After that, though...

Not entirely. Newton wasn't a super cerebral QB. Neither was Delhomme. They weren't Brady / Manning type quarterbacks. Newton was just a ridiculous combo of size and speed while Jake was a balls out gunslinger. Both had Brett Favreish level accuracy. It's possible to win in different ways.

More effective form of protest than a march...

Fans giving ownership the middle finger by not showing up...