Mr. Scot

He lookef like a third round rookie with insufficient coaching. If they continue not to give him reps, I wouldn't bet on it.

The "earn it" thing is kinda silly at the pro level, especially for quality free agents and highly drafted rookies. He still thinks like a college coach. I seriously doubt he's ever going to be a successful pro coach.

Said it elsewhere a couple of times, but it applies here too... In the case of Matt Corral, and to some degree in the case of Ikem Ekwonu, Rhule is treating them more like college freshman than NFL rookies. In most cases, you're not looking to get a freshman ready for this season, or often even next season. You're going to spend the bulk of this year's practice time getting the seniors and juniors ready while the younger players wait their turn. And for college football, that's a fine approach. ... This isn't college football.

Had the third round rookie been handled properly and still not turned out, I could have lived with that. He's not been handled properly. And as far as blaming the coaching staff, there's actually very good reason to do so. It's not just some knee-jerk reaction. Matt Rhule has made it quite clear that he's not qualified to run an NFL team. Now you can say otherwise if you want, but in that case I'd ask you to present some kind of evidence to support the idea. What actual positive things have you seen that can be attributed directly to wise courses of action taken by Matt Rhule? And do me a favor: please don't start with the whole "#2 defense" thing because the reality is that our defense last year wasn't that good and the ranking garbage is a complete fallacy. I genuinely don't feel like having that discussion yet again.

It's not about the methodology... Over the years, I've seen guys who were told to sit and develop blossom into superstars. I've also seen guys who were thrown into the pressure immediately respond by becoming diamonds. Likewise I've seen guys whose coaches brought them along slowly ultimately never measure up. And I've seen guys who were asked to start from the get go wilt and be destroyed by the beatings they took. The only consistently common thread I could name is this... The guys who succeeded were led by men who knew what they were doing. It's not the approach. It's the coach. And regardless of what our plans are for Matt Corral, if somebody smarter than Matt Rhule isn't in charge of them, I don't see a whole lot of chance of them working out.

I think at this point, even "Cliff" knows that. Sadly, "Dave" doesn't. Perhaps Dave might have seen that sooner had he actually looked at the Cliff Notes. Unfortunately for us, he instead chose to consult the Marty Notes

Having "a vet" on the roster would be fine. Having both Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold on the roster...is stupid. Having both Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold on the roster plus thinking you you need to have them in some goofball competition for the starting job...is insanely stupid. Having both Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold on the roster ridiculously competing for the starting job while also having PJ Walker and using valuable training camp and practice reps to try and help him find his next NFL job...is beyond stupid... It's Matt Rhule.

Lady Cowboy Fan got a good laugh out of my reaction to that play. And I'll grant that if you weren't a Panther fan, you'd probably have found it funny.

I've spent a little time following football, and I can tell you that in that time, I've yet to see a third round rookie who only got a minimum number of practice snaps come in and look like an All Pro. I don't know what Corral is yet, but I do know that judging him off of today, especially given the way that Matt Rhule has handled his development to date, is extremely premature.

Mentioned elsewhere, but if you read every post of his as saying "This is me trying to convince people that I'm really smart by claiming everyone else is dumb", it makes way more sense.

If he'd gotten practice and looked bad, then we could talk. But as has been mentioned, several NFL staffs have done a decent job prepping rookie quarterbacks this season. Ours? Not so much. And unless you can cite examples where other third round rookies have come into the league and looked like world beaters after barely practicing at all, interpreting this as "well, I guess Corral must just be bad" is lazy. Bottom Line? Corral is Matt Rhule's first experience / attempt at coaching a highly drafted NFL rookie quarterback. And for the sake of the Panthers future, hopefully also his last.

Bush league is probably a compliment. I don't put it on "the staff" though as much as I do Rhule. These are his decisions.

Hate to tell ya, but it's actually not the Carolina Panthers responsibility to make sure PJ Walker has a job. It is however kind of important that they develop that guy they spent a draft pick on and talked up as a quarterback of the future. Yet with those two things in mind, guess which task Matt Rhule is putting a higher priority on?

Would probably help at least a little bit if the coach would have him...you know practice Said it a couple times already but it bears repeating: Rhule is handling Corral as if he were a college freshman rather than an NFL rookie. Again, he's proving rather conclusively that he's not an NFL coach.

Or that play where he had a wide open field to run two yards for a first down but chose to chuck a poor pass instead?

Kinda hard to get better as an NFL rookie when your dumbsh-t coach doesn't give you any practice time. And if you wanna talk "real", PJ isn't gonna be on the regular season roster. Corral is.

Shopping him's kinda pointless when pretty much every team in the league knows he's not making the roster. Course, I wouldn't put huge money on him making anyone else's roster either.

He'll be an even longer project if they continue to not give him practice reps. (it has nothing to do with expectations)

Yeah...that's frighteningly stupid. Rivera used to pull dumb sh-t like that.

That moment will never be forgotten...

I'd feel better about the situation if I had more trust in the guy managing it

Kenny Pickett coming up....

In most cases though, you're talking about a throwaway guy, not someone you're trying to develop for the future.

Are you basing this on that three play sequence late in the second?

That number's kind of ironic...