kungfoodude

Yeah, hence why I pointed that out. Keep in mind that given the way we are building this defense overall, we very well could end up either being stuck in a 3-4 or needing a retooling on defense to switch. I will say that isn't likely to be a concern after next season. The overwhelming majority of personnel are likely to be jettisoned by future HC/DC/GM's anyway. We only have two core players at the moment, Brown and Horn.

Not to mention that he isn't one of these "generational" tagged pass rushers. He just happens to be the perceived best of a bunch that is lacking in obvious elite prospects. IMO, there is only one guys worth trading up for in this draft(not saying this as a Panthers statement, saying it as a general statement) and that is Travis Hunter. Outside injury, I don't see it being very likely that he does not end up being a top 10 player at CB. For the Panthers, I wouldn't even consider trading up for him. We have too many needs. We need more picks, not less.

I wouldn't be pumped about a "reach" on a guy like DE at #8 but I very much like the player. I will say that he is a 3-4 EDGE only. He's too small to be a 4-3 DE. His pass rush tools are arguably the most advanced but he does have issues with power because of his size. Fantastic athlete, however. Super agile, great bend. Day one he would be our best pass rusher, IMO.

They both could be but this draft is so crazy deep at RB. All it will really take is just 2-3 other guys being in better spots.

Almost guaranteed that Jeanty and Hampton will not end up being the top 2 RB's in this draft. I would honestly be surprised if they were top 5.

I would be very surprised to see us get out of the first round.

If you can't beat this team, I don't know who is left on the schedule you can beat. This is the worst team.

And it's over. What a fuging insanely pathetic fuging BS effort. Shitting our pants headed into the postseason.

This fuging team has lost 10 straight fuging games. There is zero excuse for this BS.

Wow. Pathetic effort in the last minute. fug this.

WTF....leaky goal BS.

Freddie is so clearly the guy for us. IDK what to do about Kochetkov. Also, fug Boston.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/alabama/2021-roster.html Lot of firepower on that roster.

No. I am in the crowd that isn't convinced he is an elite talent. I can be convinced to take him in the second half of the first round but a top 10 pick is not for me. Even that is a bit of a tough sell because of the depth at TE in this class.

The difference is that Sanders has the work ethic and does work. Johnny didn't. Bad comp.

That's why I really stopped caring as much about the draft position at the end of the year. Under Tepper the evaluations have been the issue, not the position. Until we get that fixed, it ain't gonna matter a lick. If we take Stewart at 8....whelp.....drink up, it's gonna be another long season/offseason until we can hope for another purge.

Listen, take solace in the fact that we would inevitably fug up the higher picks anyway.

Yeah, also on the most talented team in the country for the most part. It doesn't matter. We will see what happens.

I mean you are making the Brian Burns argument again. Would you rather have Brian Burns or Trey Hendrickson(taken in the 3rd round) in hindsight? We will see how it all shakes out but don't be surprised if Stewart never really fully develops.

To me this sticks out like a sore thumb and should sound familiar to Panthers fans. This is one thing that has always separated the good pass rushers(Burns) and the elite pass rushers. It is the ability to consistently finish these type of plays. It doesn't mean that there isn't value in creating pressure, there definitely is. However, if you don't have other guys able to clean up those QB's getting flushed out, it doesn't end up amounting to the result you want against elite QB's. I just think Stewart has too many question marks for me to be comfortable with as a 1st round pick. Love the athlete. Definitely love the athlete.

Knowing us, probably trade up to #3 to get him. @LinvilleGorge will delete the forum entirely in a rage fit.

Yeah, I mean, it's fine to bank on youth but it can't outweigh who you are as a prospect. I don't look at a guy and say, "Oh I have an extra two years to develop this guy" on a team that needs a ton of help at every position. If I were an elite team with depth to spare, hey, why not? But those teams also draft in the range I think he should be in, middle of the 1st to end of the 1st. That's fine but I think you are going to struggle pretty heavily to find a guy that WASN'T arguably playing out of position his entire college career that was as unproductive in college as Stewart has been that panned out in the NFL. ESPECIALLY as a top 10 pick. Now, if we are talking a top of the 4th round pick? You run to the podium with that Stewart card and don't look back.

To be fair this is the same thing the people that were pounding the table for paying Burns a huge sum of money said. How has that worked out so far?

Because is he extremely undeveloped after 3 years in college in terms of his pass rush capability. Also, he is not the insane, freak athlete that someone like Shemar Stewart is. So he is going to need to be reliant on very good techniques that he doesn't yet possess and somehow hasn't developed through 3 years in college. So, let's say I am at least somewhat right on my evaluation, now you have an above average run blocking DE/EDGE with below average pass rushing ability. Well those guys aren't exactly rare in the NFL.

No, they make perfect sense if you read them. I am saying, Jamar Chase > Jadaveon Clowney. 100 out of 100 times this is true. Basically, you don't pass on elite talent(if available) for a desperate need of a far lower quality. This is why you see teams that have long term success often leaning BPA. They understand that having better quality players pretty unsurprisingly, leads to a better team. We are also in the unique position of having the NFL's worst roster. Turns out we basically need almost everything. So that actually does make BPA immensely easier.