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35 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Unless the Canes let about every UFA walk, there's no way. The money just isn't there. 

Make the decision, keep Gunetzel and risk the long term success of the team, or let him go and continue to put a winning product on the ice.

If he wants an elite contract, well.....bye. There is no reason for us to break the bank and possibly have to deconstruct the roster that has led to our success.

This is going to be an incredibly nerve wracking offseason with a new GM and a LOT of important decisions to make.

I believe in the overall idea we have though. Continue to bet on and invest in young players and prospects. We have had a lot more Jarvis's, Aho's, etc and a lot less KK's. 

13 minutes ago, rayzor said:

From conversations I've had, there's a lot of women folk that would watch just for Canales.

That's going to account for about a baker's dozen nationwide.

He isn't bringing Taylor Swift numbers nor, sadly, are those shows bringing many female viewers in general. Substantially less than regular games will.

I am not pining for any sort of publicity that isn't from the field, good or bad. Tepper has definitely cured me of any of those notions.

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

I think people are underestimating the talent we've gotten in our team now. Not saying we're great, but I think we're going to be a lot better than people think.

We're not that far away from being a solid playoff team.

Mock, poo, and/or disagree all you want, buy I don't think we're as bad now as we were last year. I think the coaching situation was the thing that sunk us. Not having such a clusterfug of a coaching situation cost us 5-6 games.

I think we are very far away from that, unfortunately. I also think our roster is far worse than most realize. It's largely unproven or underperforming young players or veteran journeymen. Our core is the smallest it has been in probably 15 or more years.

The truth is, our talent pool has been shrinking rapidly since Ron left. This is the result of Gettleman's poor drafting in his latter years, Hurney's poor overall drafting and then the absolutely disasterous Rhule/Fitterer era. All the while, the deep talent pool we had was either retiring or leaving. 

I mean, what drafted talent do we have that would even start on a third of the NFL teams? Just basically Brown and Moton. Horn really doesn't count because, well....he is never healthy enough to start anyway. 

That's fuging terrible. If not the worst in the NFL, very close to it.

@Stumpy Why do we not have a "Jarvis is my Co-Pilot" meme?

1 minute ago, JawnyBlaze said:

That’s ridiculous. No team is ever more than 2-3 years max.  

That's assuming 2-3 years of HR draft after HR draft. That's not really a realistic goal for us, IMO. Possible but not realistic.

On 6/3/2024 at 11:54 AM, Tbe said:

This team is mostly made up of other team’s rejects.

Derek Brown is our only blue chip player.

You can’t win with a roster like that.

Years of bad drafting and bad trades have caught up.

We are probably at least 6-8 years away from being able to have a solid core again, probably more. It's going to take 5-6 better than average drafts and more good offseasons than not.

Right now our core is almost non-existent. It's basically Derrick Brown and Moton. The latter of which will likely never see the new core unless he opts to play into his late 30's.

I don't think our fans realize how long it is likely to be before we are able to rebuild a quality roster and do it for long term success. 

5 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

This season is going to suck! Seriously though I wish we had a hard knocks or all or nothing show to watch weekly to see the poo show behind the scenes. Or a rat leaking to the media instead of directly to Tepper

You know, I don't think I even want to see behind the scenes. Show me on the field. No amount of intrigue behind the scenes is going to matter to me.

Not to mention, we aren't going to be interesting to a national audience. We have no star players that any casual fan would even know. If you asked most casual NFL fans, they probably couldn't name anyone but Bryce.

5 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Jesus christ dude...get some air. I'm done with this. 

Okay, so you had no point? 

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Nobody has ever doubted Darnold's physical attributes or work ethic in practice.  He can sling it.  

But at this point, his mental make up is what it is. He will never have the composure to deal with pressure and stay composed.  He is a good back up in the NFL, that's all.  

Yeah and he isn't the first or the last mega talented guy to not have the mental makeup to be an elite player.

1 hour ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Once again....i never was alluding to that. You are getting into something even deeper that i didnt care nothing to talk about. Of course i know what Sam Darnold is whether i think he is gonna somehow change his career around is a whole other thing. Idk if will and i really dont care. 

Then why even mention him doing well in practice? What purpose did it serve?

If you weren't alluding to that, what were you alluding to in relation to the Bryce/Darnold comment?

2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I mean...i dont recall saying any of this. I just said he has looked good so far in the off season and he could be the starter going into the season based off that.

Yeah, that's my point. That literally means nothing. His literal MO is melting down when it matters and the bullets are real. He has proven that at three different franchises so far. Do you really expect that to change suddenly?

2 hours ago, strato said:

They cancelled JR big time.

Until I see the actual accurate account of the racist slur part of the ‘case’, I am not judging him on it. People lose their temper and say poo sometimes because they want to hurt the other person and can’t come up with a reasonable insult. That is why people call people names, as far as I can understand. 

It happens. People get pissed and say stupid things they wish they hadn’t. That is a fact. I would like the real details before I go into judgement mode. 

When I was young and pretty I worked an assembly job at a GE TV plant for about 6 months. My line supervisor was gay and he didn’t ever touch me with his hands but man oh man he harassed the hell out of me. (You can’t move on an assembly line, but you supervisor can). I needed the job so I dealt with it. It sucks, but you know he never got any satisfaction and I didn’t sue him or GE. I put up with his poo for the paycheck. I left when I could, end of story. No boo hoo and boycotts and lawsuits.

Some of these people who get these settlements, I wonder really, how bad was it that you couldn’t endure it for that probably pretty good paycheck. 

So I am one who thinks on balance, what I know *for a fact* about JR doesn’t make him a bad enough guy to be forced to sell the team he started. ( edit: I really am fine with condemnation, but need facts before I go there).

Something tells me Tepper was afoot in that poo.

I mean, given where he was from and his age, I'd be a little shocked if JR wasn't at least somewhat racist. That said, he wasn't Marge Schott. It seems like a lot of the players had an affinity towards him so he clearly wasn't a monster. 

The creepy old man stuff? That is super believeable. He is from a time where that was more accepted and also a powerful and rich person. That isn't hard to believe at all.

Now, I will always wonder why he ended up in the crosshairs of the NFL. Something seemed fishy about that, especially when guys like Snyder lasted so long.

2 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

On another note Sam darnold is looking pretty go so far in minnesota.

I mean.....you don't get into the HOF in the offseason.

Darnold has zero NFL future as anything other than a backup QB or ultra low tier starter. He has conclusively proven that. It's not even a question. 

1 hour ago, Cullenator said:

The product on the field has been bad and Im sure that has an impact.

 

That said I have to wonder if the in-person experience isnt losing its luster when pitted against 70"+ screens with DVRs and access to all the games, convenient and clean bathrooms, and comparatively cheap food and beer.

I will say once you have been in newer arenas and stadiums with their way better bathroom set-ups, it is such a massive improvement. It clears up a lot of insane lines just waiting around to piss. 

I have taken to not drinking at all at older stadiums just so I don't have to deal with planning when to take a piss and what part of the game I am gonna be forced to miss because of it.

It's so nice to be in a new arena/stadium with way better bathroom accessibility that doesn't force you to literally miss the game. Not to mention I will actually spend money on booze there then.

13 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly have no idea how you'd get enough for them to even come the transfer fee. Who wants to be obligated to buy a season's worth of Panthers tickets in perpetuity right now?

My buddy and I sold ours for the cost of the transfer fee. He listed them on Marketplace and found someone interested. He wanted them for his kids.

I told my buddy to report him for child abuse.

29 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Young is the game manager type who needs an awesome team around him to have a good season imo. We don’t have that obviously. We’re rebuilding, so my expectations are through the floor. I’m not that excited for this season, but I’ll still watch all the games and come in here and complain.

I would argue that he hasn't proven he can manage a game yet. He has been a less TO prone, less idiotic and substantially less talented Sam Darnold to date.

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

It could be, but the fact that he felt a need to say it shows he is somewhat aware.

I think he reads the social media comments like an idiot.

30 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

The two signs of hope I kind of see are

1. He hired an outside firm to help make his hires this time.  One that has had success doing so for other teams.  

2. He said he is staying in the background now.  I now people are doubting that but the fact he is actually saying that in public means he is some what aware.  

I think point two is literally a lie. Snyder said the same but he returned because it "wasn't fun." Tepper is a far worse owner than Snyder to date, so I don't expect him to learn any more than Snyder did.

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I get the impression that Teppers the sling poo against the wall until something works kinda guy. That seems to have been his approach so far. 

I think they just keep convincing themselves they have a plan. The truth is, they are just blindly floundering.

Maybe one day they will learn from all the fuging up. I haven't seen much evidence that Tepper is self aware enough to realize he is a massive reason this franchise is a mess. He seems to be convinced that it's others failing him.

57 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I stopped getting upset about a week after our last SB appearance. I've just been an indifferent fan ever since. I'm just along for the ride.

I officially gave up last year. All the BS was just so obvious that I couldn't ignore if anymore. 

We aren't going to be poo with this owner. He is an idiot. A very confident idiot, which is the worst kind.

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

Someone has to bare witness to what happens. It's hard to complain if you don't sit through it all. 

Yeah, the difference is now that I really don't care what happens at all. I am just an interested observer/glutton fof punishment.

Then I will call up a couple of buddies and we can bitch and rant for about an hour sometime that week. 

3 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm watching every game no matter what. Good, bad or indifferent I'm watching.  Nut up you babies, you cannot handle adversity at all. 

Oh, I am gonna still watch. NFL Sunday is a tradition I plan to keep. 

21 hours ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

I've just lost interest in the NFL as a whole. MLB will always be my favorite, but now I'm looking forward to college football more than the NFL, and I'm slowy getting into the NHL. This may be my first ever season where I don't watch every Panthers game and won't bother to watch NFL just because it's on TV.

I completely checked out on college football. Once the money grabs for TV deals killed the Pac 12 and gutted the Big 12, I was done. I really watch very little college football aside from checking out potential prospects pre-draft.

2 hours ago, KingKucci said:

Where does this season rank as the least amount of excitement before any Panthers season?  To me, its dead last.  i just dont see any hope unless Canales pulls 2002 john fox  moves.  Speaking of, that season I have zero hope going into it  but ended giving me some after 1-15 to 7-9.  Same with 2010 but we at least knew we had Cam.  

 

What say everyone?

It's definitely the least. I have come out of the fog of expecting Tepper to learn and real change to happen. I am settled into expecting us to fumble and bumble our way through the next decade or so. 

2 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

You know it might be so long ago but I remember Brockermeyer and Matt Campbell being solid in the 90s.

I think a lot of people forget just how solid Jeff Mitchell, Kevin Donnalley, and Todd Stuessie were. In 2003 the OL only allowed like 25 sacks for the whole year. 

Wharton was severely underrated and Whale was good for a bit.

Moton is probably Top 5, but I'm not so sure how much of that is because everything around him has been horrible so it's made him look significantly better. I really wish we would have moved him to LT back when.

 

That line was exceptional. We do have recency bias about that.

We have had better offensive linemen than we probably think. Not consistently enough.