kungfoodude

Yeah, facts! You know, the ones that come with no data! Not opinions, facts!

You even forgot the discussion points. Epic.

This guy is as transparent as they come.

I am just glad your idiocy is now a permanent record in this thread. You can't even make your "personal definition" apply to players you claim to be running versus not. Thanks for the laugh.

Now, the definition you have is actually: Taysom Hill. Career pass attempts: 134 Career rushing attempts: 151

So, just to show how little idea you have about what you are talking about, these are the career rushing attempts per game for these players that you called "running" and a few you claimed weren't. Lamar Jackson: 10.5 Cam Newton: 7.7 Kyle Murray: 7.1 Josh Allen: 6.8 Michael Vick: 6.1 Russell Wilson: 5.6 The Golden Calf of Bristol: 5.6 Daunte Culpepper: 4.9 Steve Young: 4.3 Donovan McNabb: 3.7 But, by all means, continue to be wrong. I won't stop you.

We will find out soon enough.

So, how about these guys: Kyler Murray Russell Wilson The Golden Calf of Bristol Steve Young Running QB's?

Was Michael Vick a running QB?

No QB meets your definition other than Taysom Hill. How about this, was Cam a running QB?

Yeah. If he can't make his way through this lot by the end of the season, I don't have a ton of hope. He's 24 so we can't really have a 2-3 year development cycle and it make a lot of sense.

You mean the guy that just got a massive extension? Allen is the definition of a running QB.

I would have to go back and look that up to get a complete picture. 3-4 would seem like a reasonable amount.

In fairness, UDFA starters are rare. Those guys even making the active roster for any significant length if time is also rare. Moore was always a long shot, in reality. With our weaknesses on the OL, he just seemed like he could compete for a spot. Clearly that was not the case.

The second place finisher in the MVP last season was a running QB.

You know that group included Tom Brady last season, right?

Yeah. I was hoping we would see our young players be the answer and give me a little more hope. Maybe in a couple of years they will be there or maybe we will have filled those holes adequately.

You are aware that Lamar Jackson is a 64% career passer, right? Never thrown double digit INT's in his career for that matter. Notice how Cam has largely been a high completion percentage QB the past few years? Think maybe finally that might have to do with scheme differences? Oddly, Cam was able to get us to a Super Bowl. Funny thing is, he was the best QB in that game. Unless you really think Peyton Manning 141 yards, 2 TO's and 0 TD's really propelled them to victory. I suppose if that is your bar for "good enough passer to win a championship" maybe Kyle Allen is a good enough passer to win a championship? Hell, Nick Foles won a championship. Is he a "good enough passer?" If so, is Blake Bortles?

I mean, look, I guess at the end of the day I can't make you not stupid. Everyone has a right to be wrong.

The bulk of the younger and elite NFL QB's are all either mobile or running QB's. Hell, just look at this last NFL draft where the top 4 guys were Lawrence, Wilson, Fields and Lance. Only really Mac Jones is a relatively immobile QB. All the rest of those guys are athletes. The idea that mobile and running QB's can't win Super Bowls is pretty absurd if you look at recent history.

Completion percentage is a good thing to keep an eye on. Captain Checkdown was stellar in this offense last year completing passes and Darnold is a sub-60% completion percentage guy in his career(high of 61.9% in 2019). Anything less than what you said(63ish) should be a big concern. We should expect him to be far more efficient in his first few games here, given how our offense is structured. As a gunslinger, I don't think he will will ever be a top QB in the league in that statistic but he shouldn't be near the bottom of the league like he was in NY.

Historically, if the Jets draft a QB, it's a pretty safe indicator he will be a bust.

Do you just simply not watch NFL football???

We have quite a few of those people in the Huddle now, as we always do. Player surfing isn't unusual. Think about all the Clemson or South Carolina fans that couldn't possibly give a poo about the Panthers but pay attention when we draft their players.