Stumpy

Lolwut?

So we've gone from insane to stupid. Maybe by tomorrow it'll seem reasonable... lol

No. You didn't. You have attempted to here. But, your logic is flawed. If we take your parameter of 2 1sts as the cut off for a "blockbuster" and a Super Bowl win as the only option for success, then every team in the league is an abject failure. Draft picks are the opportunity to aquire a player's services. Nothing more nothing less. What difference does it make if you spend 2 picks on one player or 3 picks for 10 players if you didn't win a ring?

You didn't answer the question.

Why stop at blockbusters? Under your terms, why wouldn't any aquisition that didn't lead to a Super Bowl be considered a failure. We gave up a 3rd for Olsen and had an overall losing record during his tenure. We never reached the goal. But he might reach the HOF. Did we lose that trade?

Too many unknown variables in your equation there homie. What is a "blockbuster trade?" - An established All-Pro player - A Pro Bowler in their prime - Anyone who nets multiple picks - Multiple 1st round picks - Perceived overpayment What is considered working out? - Tangible improvement in a specific personnel grouping - Improved W/L record - Future All-Pro/Pro Bowl noms - Playoff performance - Super Bowl What position are the Panthers in for your scenario? - If we trade Teddy to Chicago for a 1st and 3rd, and they win a ring dinking and dunking for 3 yards here and 4 yards there and say 15 passing TDs, who won the trade? Was it a blockbuster? - If we trade 3 1sts for Watson and are perennial contenders for the next 10 years but, never hoist the Lombardi, did the trade "work out" in our favor?

lmao... a team like SF?

That's why I like this Canes forum. There might not be alot of us here. But, everyone is a pretty die hard fan.

Some asshole probably left a window open and let the Birdicane fly away.

Welp...

Big time faceoff coming up here.

Damn. I don't think we are gonna see much more of Brock tonight.

Why hell, might as well do it one more again...

fug

This crow taste delicious guy's.... y'all should try it. lol

Ole Jesper put the biscuit in the basket!

Honestly, after the shutout, I wanted to see Ned get the start tonight. But, oh well, King Of The Autobots it is.

Could be. Also could be Rod doing more taxi squad churning to keep everybody in rink shape.

i.e. if the upcoming draft is a bad year for positions you need, then those picks would be less valuable to you, no?

You are probably right. I doubt he was the one who made that call. I would imagine he had had some level of input, though. Serious question... (Since you are typically the most well read when it comes to FO type stuff.) Do the pro guys typically consult with the college guys when it comes to draft pick compensation for player trades?

Kyle Shannahan has already drug two different teams with mediocre QBs to the Super Bowl with an offense designed around the RB. And he's never had one of CMCs caliber. I don't think they are a RB away. But, given his history and the fact that he just signed a 6 year extension, I wouldn't be surprised if he thought so.

Don't know whose call it ultimately was. Fitts background is college scouting. But, he was either co-director of player personnel or VP of football operations when the trade happened. I'm sure he had some say in the deal.

I wouldn't have either. Not sure or our new buddy Fitts made the wisest choice there. Both are unique players who can be used almost anywhere on the field and are clearly the best players at their position. But neither play premium high $ positions. Would I give up 2 1sts for Teddy & CMC? No. But that doesn't mean nobody else will. Or that they would be insane if they did.

And before you but but but he's a running back... RB: 2nd lowest paid offensive position ($1.9 mil) S: Lowest paid defensive position ($2.7 mil)

Dude, Seattle just traded 2 1sts, a 3rd and a borderline starter for Jamal Adams less than a year ago. And they had to give him a new contract. CMC's bonus has already been paid. McCaffery, a 3rd and $20 million > Adams?