mav1234

DJ is better than Jeudy or Sutton IMO. He certainly has had better years than either. Sutton and Jeudy are better this year than Robby is this year, but Robby had as good a year last year as either has ever had... Based on production with TB, I'd say DJ+Robby >> Sutton + Jeudy. But Jeudy hasn't been available for them either (less than CMC, only 1 game started), and so this is more of a DJ+Robby vs Sutton+Patrick and with TB I would say that goes to DJ+Robby by far. I do think a big part of Robby's problem is Darnold. Fant is better. I suppose I didn't consider TE a skill position, lol, but that is fair. RB I think is close to a push just because of CMC playing half of our games this year, and we already mentioned Jeudy, so. edit: I know DEN's passblocking has been bad, but I wonder how their run blocking has been. I only watched one of their games and it didn't look bad. Gordon and Williams are an excellent backfield duo tho.

I think Brady is an issue too. Teddy isn't a long term franchise option, but with NO and with DEN he is scoring TDs pretty well. And DEN has a terrible OL too, and imo are weaker at skill positions than we are. Yet the % of TDs he throws dropped quite a bit here relative to NO and DEN. Teddy probably has this team with 2 losses and atop the division...

Terrace deserves an incomplete as well, imo. He looked so good in the preseason... Keith Taylor has shown some great potential and made a couple plays. Chubba looks good for a rookie imo, but obviously needs to work on his hands. I agree with your premise. Our core is leaning heavily on Hurney if not River/Hurney players. But keep in mind it takes a few years for most drafted players to settle in.

3 games since Darnold has had a TD. Since Dallas, he's had 2 TDs, 8 INTs, 1 fumble lost, only broken 60% completion percentage once (with drops it'd probably be twice, heh), and is averaging like ~160 yards/game. He isn't the only problem on offense, but its time they sit him. Rhule's at fault for this risk, and he really could have helped Darnold (and the team) out in a few ways... but ah well. Rhule now needs to actually show the team that he's willing to try something different I think

When you say ride the horse out - keep starting Darnold? I was on that train until today - I just don't get how you can keep him starting the way he has played most of the time over the last month+...

I'm beginning to think the problems with the offense is a lot more than just the QB. We ditched TB because he couldn't get it into the end zone, couldn't lead a game winning drive... He's doing that now in Denver, and he certainly has worse around him... I don't think he's the answer but maybe be wasn't wrong about some things here.

Crazily enough Teddy certainly isn't a long term franchise-defining player but I bet weve got a couple more wins with him at least. He is playing much better in Denver.

Man I fuging love Reddick. We need to bring him back! https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32578190/carolina-panthers-lb-haason-reddick-calls-new-england-patriots-mac-jones-dirty-play From the article: "Definitely thought it was a dirty play,'' Reddick said. "I actually saw and witnessed the play while it was happening. At first it felt like he was trying trip or kick Burns. And the next thing you know I saw him tugging on Burns' ankle. I thought it was completely dirty. Hopefully, it's something the league addresses.'' Much more from Reddick in the story. Those who don't want to give ESPN clicks, he also notes Burns will be fine. The refs say it'll go to the league for review. Rhule says it was clearly a penalty.

Maybe if he had a good oline at the start of this year. I think he's done barring sitting behind someone on a new team and getting a chance to forget his first few years in the league.

Teddy would probably have this team at 6-3.. The OL is still a huge problem, but he's much better at protecting the ball. He told us what the problem was last year and that's why he isn't here anymore.

PJ hasn't had a start yet this season so I wouldn't be surprised if he got that chance... I wonder who is sitting at home on a couch or on a PS they could pilfer, lol.

The crazy thing is I'm pretty sure whatever happened in practice was so very bad that they knew Darnold at his worst was better than PJ... I'd love to see them give Morgan and PJ more chances just because Darnold is done and everyone has lost confidence in him. Doesn't matter if PJ is worse or not, at least it would look like they're trying something...

As hard as it is right now, a few of us said that the Darnold experiment was designed to give us a franchise QB one way or the other... Either with a very high draft pick or Darnold being rehabilitated. But I didn't expect the defense to be this good...

Probably OL in the first depending on how these college QBs play the rest of the year, and how they do in workouts etc.

Rhule, because Darnold is who he's always been, as are our OL acquisitions made of glass. Can't blame these guys for being who they've always been.

All of it starts with the QB and moves to the OL and OC. Let's make some changes. Running the ball a poo ton isn't enough.

I love this team but the way the offense is being handled is making it so hard to pay attention to them at all. It's just enthusiasm sucking. We could be celebrating how amazing this D is with even an average offense...

I dunno man. Look at the two Jets backups... Sure that team still isn't good but man are they at least able to move the ball now... At least Wilson has shown signs and is a real rookie...

You know, what angers me is if you want a reclamation project, I don't understand why you make these choices... You gotta put a good OL around the guy... you do everything you can to help them on the field, you get them experienced vets to listen to in the QB room... Just believing in a dude doesn't make him forget the last 3 years of being absolutely garbage.

The crazy poo is he didn't need to bring in real competition, like a younger player like Minshew to be the backup. He coulda gone with an older vet that everyone knew isn't gonna be the franchise. That's NO pressure on Darnold.

To me, Rhule needs to make a change because the players are looking for a chance to compete and Darnold isn't giving us that. We are 1-5 and about to play one of the best teams in the league. It's time to try something new.

The offense has me so completely disheartened. You can tell the players have lost faith in Sam. There needs to be a change

Ive actually wondered about this. So many times announcers remark the opposing team seems to always be in the right place. I'm wondering if teams have learned how to read our plays by personnel etc.

Yeah... I think that when we tried to force him to call a run based offense his calls got much worse. That isn't his strength as a playcaller, nor do we have great personnel for it. But a bad QB and OL are hard to work with in a passing game for sure. Especially when our receivers also haven't been particularly reliable this year.

I haven't seen the exact comparison between OLs, but there are QBs that make things happen behind bad OLs for sure. Darnold doesn't see the field and throws into windows after they close.