mav1234

While a 4th isn't much more valuable than a 5th, it is more value, and PJ playing one more game (because I think we just need one more start out of PJ or Darnold to push us there) is sufficient to put us out of reach of that. But I also think its hard to bench your starter after a win.

Burns has only been a starter for 2 (now moving on to 3) seasons, in part because of his age. Over the last 2+ seasons, Burns is top ten in sacks, close to that in hits, and is the youngest player in that group (Bosa is close at 25 - the rest are 3+ years older than Burns). I do get the concern he hasn't taken over games, etc. And I think that he is a very good, but not yet an all pro DE. I'm going to play around with AV because I think the expected value of the trades was probably not actually worth Burns' production over the last couple years.

Tepper may have had a hand in preventing it, actually. Future assets (relative to present assets) aren't only worth less to GMs, they're worth less to the team as a whole, because they are delayed production and have an unknown value that is hard to plan around. With the Rams, we are more than likely talking mid to late round picks, too. Now I still probably would have made the trade given the second this year, but I get the logic of not doing so, and I think there's more there than fitterer trying to save his job.

Those teams don't suck. They all have NFL talent. Are they among the very best this year? No. But acting like they're a bunch of div3 nothing's when it comes to evaluating a player is pretty crazy. They will provide useful tape on him for scouts.

Wilks is a great interim HC choice, because he's going to bring back NFL coaching to the lockerroom but was always unlikely to manage to win with it, given what's around him and his own abilities. It also keeps the players fighting and playing, and more importantly developing.

It's still early enough there's a lot of time for these players to impress scouts. Every year, the promise of the next year's crop of players is always greater.

Wow why don't we always draft a QB in the 3rd round?! Think how many all stars we could have had...

Oh, Corral will get a shot at the roster. And, if he's half as good as some posters thought this preseason, he might even end up starter depending on other circumstances. I think it's more likely he ends up a backup for us, and we potentially carry 3 QBs if he has a decent preseason (I see our new coach drafting a QB).

Owners are absolutely involved in trades for big name players... Dunno why people would say differently. It's possible Fitt never considered it but it's just surprising if that's true.

I suspect there were things behind the scenes there. And trading one player, especially a RB, isn't the same as trading two - especially a DE (or WR in Moore's case, tho that deal didn't sound as good). The idea Fitt decided to hold Burns to save his job this year is odd, which is why I don't buy that explanation, and the yield seemed like something he'd take.

I'm very surprised we didn't take the deal when it included a 2nd rounder in 2023. Yeah that's basically 2 2nds and a 3rd, but that's still excellent value overall. I wonder if Tepper wouldn't allow the trade or something since he needs some decent players in the roster to get butts in seats? Doesn't make sense for Fitt not to have done it given his wheeling and dealing generally.

Most of the reports we heard said the Panthers wanted capital this year and the rams were offering 2024 and 2025. It's news to me they thru in a 2023 2nd, which does change my opinion of the trade ...

Corral was ALWAYS a reach (as a long term starter for fans to bank on not where he was drafted, bad wording choice on my part). He can compete in camp and may surprise us but we need to take a QB in the first as long as one of the good ones is left.

Some posters are confusing projection of place on a roster when drafted based on scouts perception of a player(such as starter, depth, development) vs long term career success. 2nd and 3rd round picks are not "mid late fluff"... They have a lot of value, both in terms of potential starters based on projections and in trades if we needed to move up etc

Glad you posted this. Feels a bit like before Cam would get new deals where people would act like the player desperately wanted to leave...

It's important to note the franchise doesn't consider future firsts as first rounders when considering this. I think it's *possible* we could get more than a 2nd and 3rd for him in the future, if he develops the rest of the year, but I think we need him and are more likely to keep him

If only they'd made the trade then in three years we could have drafted Burns' replacement with one of the picks and would be able to look forward to trading that player in another four years! It's clear Fitt thinks we can retain Burns long term.

Sure they are due for a collapse, but I don't expect a top 10 pick in 2-3 years as others have suggested. And I definitely agree on picks sooner than later.

We will get plenty of interest regardless and this trade means we have to fill two of the most important positions in football instead of one...

2 years is near enough I don't expect a collapse... Frankly the picks would probably be higher in the first a bit after that, haha

DE is arguably the second most important position on the field, and we'd basically be trading a pro bowler / potential star for what'll probably be 2 picks in the mid to late twenties two and three years from now. I'd pass unless they are sure they can't re sign him... Salary cap is malleable. I don't think he walks.

Rams firsts seem likely to be late first round... And being in the future is a major let down, imo. Salary cap is a sticky situation though, but then DE arguably becomes a better pick at the top of the first than QB. I don't think we will replace Burns' production easily, even with his flaws.

But let's be realistic here. If you could make those kicks consistently, you'd be in the NFL. He missed two that he has made before. He has been very consistent this year. Dude didn't lose his job over one game in no small part because on the year he's been overall very consistent. If he'd missed a few others this year then we'd probably be seeing competition at kicker. If he misses a few more coming up, maybe we do find a different kicker this year. But as of now, it's an overreaction to cut him or bring in competition imo.

I don't think that's true, because I don't think PJ is very good ultimately, and a few more games and Baker can't hit the snap requirements for the pick upgrade. Hell, we could trot PJ out for one more game and sam out for 2 and I think Baker wouldnt be able to hit the snap count. PJ seems like a good backup but I'm just skeptical he won't keep crashing back to earth, as backups tend to. We will see.

PJ is very likely to lose the job to Baker or Sam down the stretch, so we will probably see one or both of them. If not, no reason to give either of these dudes a chance over him just because. Good luck on other teams Baker and Sam.