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Why we gotta bring Mahomes into this??? Yes Mahomes could have won some extra games for us. If you replace our rookie with a HoF possible GOAT QB in his prime, yes he would get more wins…

They wanted Moore, Burns, or Brown. It was already leaked. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/03/2023-nfl-draft-panthers-bears-trade-dj-moore-brian-burns-derrick-brown/

His 2 completions for over 20 yards? One for 25 and one for 27 still average 6.6 YPA. I'm not sure there were as many deep routes as people are remembering or if he even had time to throw them... Again you can not be impressed with Young AND not be impressed with Dalton. It's quite logical really...

My obsession with the only game he played in last year in reference to his current play is weird? I just gave you his last game as a Saint the year prior. He lost to Dalton's 43 yards and 2 picks. Couldn't put up more than 10 points on Matt Rhule's Panthers. 36 is old for a QB. Drew Brees and Tom Brady are not the norm. Dalton isn't the QB he once was and the QB he once was is nothing more than a average to below average starter. Lol you are all over the place. So are you referencing the Seattle game in relation to AT? The game you claimed I was obsessed with in a weird way? Yeah he feasted on an injured secondary that couldn't cover Chark either. AT isn't the WR he once was. He is a slower slot at his age and was force fed the ball in our system. Look at our moves this offseason. Trade for DJ, draft a WR in round 1, we knew WR was one of our biggest weaknesses and are trying to upgrade it.

What do you think really happens here? Do you think that Seattle loss with half a secondary is a realistic game for Dalton to consistently have? Do you expect 40 year old Dalton to throw it 60 times and rack up 361 yards while constantly getting hit to work against other teams? If we played him all year do you think he would rack up 6,137 yards 34 TDs and 0 INTs on over a thousand attempts? That games wasn't a great game. We were trailing all game and he threw it against a terrible secondary 60 times averaging 6.6 yards an attempt. He had one "deep" pass to Chark (wide ass open) for 27 yards who ran another 20 for a TD. That's not happening against other teams. I would be surprised if Dalton made it two more games taking those kinds of hits and probably losing both of those games. Our OL sucked, Our coaches sucked, and our weapons sucked. Remember Rhule beat Andy Dalton and his Saints offense (which has a better OL and better weapons) just the prior year. Yeah Matt Rhule... Darnold put up 43 yards and 2 INTs and Dalton STILL couldn't beat him. That's embarrassing.

and people call this "cope" when others have said it. I'm not sure they know what that words means or it's simply the word of the year, maybe both?

What if I told you people can expect more from Bryce AND think Dalton wouldn't have done any better... It doesn't have to be one or the other. Dalton's game against Seattle is nothing special and Bryce underperformed what we expected. Both are true.

Defense had to respect his arm? What was his YPA? His one big gain was wide open Chark getting 20 of his 47 yards on YAC. People need to rewatch this game… So he “tested” the defense with 2 20 yard passes… A defense missing half its secondary (which is why Chark was wide open).

Statically speaking Dalton had a win % of 0.0 on the same roster vs 12.5% by Young. Soooo spreading that over the full 17 games gives us 0 wins. Final answer.

I’m not sure Dalton survives a 2nd game taking those hits. Especially against a better defense…

Ian Thomas… please Ian Thomas…

No YOUR route tree is limited!

Kind of agree. If the team starts winning with him at QB and is capable of making a run then they are going to be satisfied for now.

I’m just glad you took even more time to comment about watching a video about nothing.

I’m wondering if we sign a vet after 53 man cuts as an insurance policy. BC can backup the OGs.

Some of these guys are like 6 spots off of where they “projected” them without even looking at the needs of the teams drafting at that spot. Sanders was kind 50 spots later than this one projected. Seems like a normal draft with a “steal” in Sanders based on this one review. Rounds 5th and later are just team preferences.

Looks like we got 3 top 60 prospects on that persons list with no first round pick. Throw in the 2025 2nd round pick we got that sounds like a solid draft based on the rankings in that article.

I understand what we gave up for him. I’m saying there is a much more realistic scenario where he might be our future QB but not the generational prospect we wanted when we moved up for him. Teams can overpay for a pick/player and still find success with them. That’s what I’m curious to find out. Forget 2nd year playoffs or Pro Bowl, I just want to see if he can be the guy moving forward or not. I want to see if he takes the next step in developing with the better supporting cast we are giving him.

I hoping he can become our new TD. He is definitely going to draw some flags though. He is physical and hyped up on the field. Could be a nice energy leader.

Agreed. I would expect most realistic fans to tamper their expectations. There is a scenario where we simply over drafted him at 1, but he still has a solid career and can become a franchise QB. That is what I am curious to find out. Does he have what it takes to become the guy. If he can somehow do any of the stuff you stated in year two then fantastic, but that's not where my head is at judging by his rookie play and the state of the franchise.

If we didn't draft the same exact players they did in their mock it's a F!

I’m just not 100% sure that’s his specialty. He 8.8 and 8.9 YPA in college, AR was 8.3 and 7.8, Stroud was 10.1 and 9.5 and OSU loved the deep ball. If you give him time and weapons he wasn’t afraid to test the defense. I think people get caught up in the deep passes of 25 plus which yeah the QB has to get it up there but a lot of that is also on the WR. Some of the better deep ball passers usually have deep ball WRs who can track and adjust to make the catch in traffic if needed. I think we tried to get a couple of those in XL and Sanders. Now if you think Young physically can’t do that at this level then yeah that’s an issue and I’m not sure we will last as a full time starter. There is no need to hide it or avoid it though. We need to know. A lot of it is simply confidence and timing. People were skeptical of Tua throwing to Hill but he got the timing down.

Jamo and Metchie helped Bryce look better as a deep thrower. Drafting XL and Sanders who are great at adjusting and catching challenged passes isn’t terrible idea if you have a QB who is working on his deep ball accuracy. At the end of the day you have to be able to challenge a defense vertically. We are putting players on offense to help Bryce do that. Throw in a solid running game to help keep defenses honest and it’s not a bad way to see if Bryce can make these throws. If he can’t we simply find a QB who can. As for the quick passes we have DJ and now a RB with decent hands coming out of the backfield. We are attempting to build a complete offense IMO. You can’t complain that our running plan is trying to hide our subpar QB but then say we drafted the wrong weapons because they need the QB to throw it deep. Wouldn’t throwing a bunch of quick WRs to dink and dunk down the field essentially being doing the same thing in hiding our QB’s weakness?

Baker is a great deep ball thrower though. Wouldn’t that be designing an offense to his strengths? Also if your offense has Mike Evans you better be throwing it deep often…

Baker wasn’t as bad as he was made out to be but look at how terrible he played in our offense. Now take away CMC and DJ Moore and put a rookie back there. Baker is a good measuring stick to show you how bad our offense had gotten after Cam left.