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Any SEC team would beat the living poo out of us.

I've been saying the same thing since he let him finish last season... but, as usual, FA and the draft suckered me back into thinking we could overcome this idiot. The first two games have reminded me how impossible that is. It also explains why my disdain for Tepper has silently and subconsciously grown exponentially since last season without me even actively feeding it... because when he made that decision last season he effectively dropped the blade on this one.

I didnt believe it in its entirety, but definitely felt the majority of it was true, and all of it was likely rooted in truth but may have been a bit embellished... now? I agree, all of it seems more and more concrete.

As I said, he will not be fired until the season is unsalvageable... so Tepper just wasted another year of our lives.

This would be incorrect.

That is fuging insane

This. Plain and simple. As I've said in other threads, for all that has changed, what has remained the same and constant throughout it all? Find it coincidental that the same struggles on both sides of the ball continue and look exactly the same as they did as year one, if not worse? Different personnel, different assistants, etc., and yet, the team plays just as bad... It's Matt Rhule. That's it.

Steve Wilks. He didn't get a fair shot from the Cards. I think he could be an excellent HC. That being said, Rhule won't be fired tomorrow... and my prediction is, he won't be fired until the season is well past salvageable.

In hindsight, although a lot of those plays he made looked really goofy and sometimes didn't pan out, I think Daniel Jones handled those pressures 1000x better than Baker in that he evaded the pressure and then would try to reset to wait as long as possible for a receiver to come open; sometimes they didnt, and he ended up throwing something horrible or just throwing it away a the last second. Whereas Baker would evade the pressure and immediately started up field on a scramble, almost every time. Those 3 and 4 yard gains ultimately are inconsequential. Jones had multiple big conversions off the same broken plays by waiting for a pass. But again, I'm going to believe part of this is still getting comfortable in the offense, but even more so, especially on the off-schedule plays, it's a lack of reps and chemistry with the receivers, imo.

Honestly, Ickey only had two really bad plays today: 1) He completely blew a blitz pickup on a safety who shot to the inside of him untouched and got an easy sack on a big down and 2) He had an abhorrent false start on a 4th down attempt that resulted in us having to punt. And tbh, file it under the completely unexpected but our biggest issues in pass pro appear to be between Elflein, Corbett, and Moton, but mostly Corbett and Moton. Moton was complete ass today and Corbett has looked bad and easily replaceable for 2 weeks. Would've thought the BC/Ickey side would be the one causing the most issues for us. Nope. It's the vets. We should just be glad that Thibodeaux didn't play. We were getting embarrassed by fringe NFL guys.

But if you have 53 heads take their turn at the wall, you may lose 52, but I bet that final one cracks it open!

Well, I could be wrong, but last I checked, coaches' salaries are fully guaranteed, so if they're fired they get the entire value of that contract. Nebraska would have to pay him to hire him, so I don't see why he couldn't get paid by both... and for any human being in that situation, why wouldn't you try to get paid twice? Not trying to be an argumentative dick or anything, that's just how I've always understood it to be.

Never wanted him. Always thought he had that sleazeball, used car salesman vibe about him... then after we hired him, I hoped for the best even though I hated it, and even started believing in him after seeing some of his opening pressers as he seemed smart and charismatic. Then he actually coached, and I realized why I never wanted him again in the first place, because all that talk is empty if you don't have the ability as a strategist and game manager to back it up. And now when he talks, it means nothing. So in summary, never wanted him, and still don't.

Not if they fire him first. No buyout needed.

..."in Nebraska. They're waiting for me." Seriously, I am starting to think he's doing this poo on purpose to get fired so he can get paid out the rest of his contract here while taking a college job.

Can't make this up. Just said this in his presser. Also, when asked about the pressure the Giants got he said he didn't think anyone just got flat-out beat, they were just bringing "extra guys." Why didn't this stuff work with my parents growing up? "No, I didn't disrupt the class and get kicked out. I just interrupted the teacher. My behavior isn't quite there, but I'm really close. You just can't see it."

The fumble was, but it was a horrible situation and a horrible playcall, and then horribly executed... he was 1 vs 8, and as soon as they swarmed, unless forward progress got called I already had a feeling it was gonna happen... and I would've felt the same way if it was DJ, Robbie, Shi, or any other receiver. The odds aren't good. And Robbie still makes plays, but again, for the most part is misused. Can't say the same for Chubba's sorry ass.

Again, there are so many problems across the board, it's hard to pick just one that cost us... but I pulled the lens back just a bit and it crystallized for me. Last week, Elfein single-handedly killed multiple drives, including the final one where we had a chance to score a TD and put the game away, with his mis-snaps. And on defense, CJ Henderson commits one of the worst, boneheaded penalties in the endzone I have ever seen which would've been an INT for Xavier Woods, that thanks to CJ, turned into an easy TD from the 1. This week, instead of elevating Shenault or putting Shi back there, who was originally the backup to Roberts, he put his wife's favorite Cowboy out there in Chubba Butterfingers Hubbard. Chubba gives up a fumble on the opening kickoff where they're already in FG range, and they go up 3. I still support Robbie, but he was put in a horrible spot on that 3rd down play the next possession, again, thanks to great coaching, and was left to try to navigate himself through what looked like 8 defenders after catching a no-hope screen. He fumbled in their FG range again. Down 6-0 score. Down -2 in the turnover game. And as we know, you rarely ever overcome losing the turnover battle. We lose by a FG. Meanwhile, Chubba continued to go out there and appeared to fumble again on another kickoff, although I have no idea why NY didn't challenge it after it was ruled down by contact. These are simple things, where there are far better options at these positions where these decisions are made well-before gameday and Rhule has decided the outcome before the game is even played with his favorites who happen to be bad at football.

Oh no, I am as cynical as they get (if you haven't noticed ). So I err towards the same opinion you're sharing here... but, I also think if an elite player sees something in a coach that they know enabled them to maximize their ability, then you have to give some credence to that. But, there is that fine line of, well yeah, McAdoo's offense worked great for Rodgers because he processes things better than 99% of guys in the league and that has to be considered, but it could also just be a great offense that Rodgers made even better that can be efficiently ran by even non-HOFers. But, you never know until you know.

When we get a coach that knows wtf he is doing and still can't win... which will be quite awhile. Fitt can't be held accountable for this poo. He has tried to accommodate Fhule, as was apparently directed by Tepper, because when he came in, Fhule was already here and was the final word on everything football ops. I think that's started to shift, but we still can't judge anything until we have an actual professional-level coach in here.

That's my issue... and again, I drank the McAdoodoo koolaid from the offseason... from reading the glowing reviews from Rodgers and looking at the stats from his time in NY, I really thought this is what we were missing... I'm still not going to fully blame him though, because the offense still looks like the same dysfunctional mess its always been under Rhule, so I think McAdoo's input is limited or constrained at the least to fit in Rhule's dumbass idea of how it should be run. But when you look at the Packers offense. The Giants offense when he was there... he'll, the Giants offense today - they schemed guys open, easily, to where passes were essentially handoffs. And we just can't get out of our own fuging way... this doesn't look like what he ran before at all. It's just so disjointed and dysfunctional.

To be clear, I wasn't pinning this on Baker. Just frustrated with some of the plays we left out there... and we have agreed on a ton over the years, and for the most part agree here. I still think Baker is at least solid, which is light-years ahead of Teddy and Sam... but I also have said, after seeing Teddy, Sam, Cam, and now Baker, that it isn't coincidence, all of those guys have looked their worst as passers in this offense under Rhule and nowhere else. As ass as we thought Sam was in NY, he actually looked functional enough to fool people into thinking he could still be a starter in the NFL. Here, he became the worst passer statistically over a stretch of games that had ever been recorded. Teddy, renowned for his decision-making and headiness, looked like a complete fuging idiot here. Between throwing the ball to a 1 yard drag on 4th and 12 to having the ball stripped at the goal line against the Packers, to game-ending INTs on TNF against the Falcons, he looked in over his head. Cam had one of the worst passing games of any QB ever against the Dolphins, and to this day, friends still rag me about it and just judging off that one game say Cam isn't an NFL QB anymore... but, they don't see what we see every week. It's not the personnel. It's the coaching. So yes, I mentioned Baker specifically, and a lot of it is the frustration and disappointment from him not being able to elevate our team into winning, but I know as long as Rhule is in place, I don't know what QB could... but I really wanted Baker to do it. And despite his flaws, he is the best QB we've had since healthy Cam, but this team sucks ass and it's painful to watch... and between failed protection and shitty calls, I place a huge burden on Baker to make plays and today he struggled. So anyway... I fuging hate Matt Rhule.

To be clear, I'm not saying Baker is the problem. But I expected his play to elevate us above a lot of our problems and it hasn't really moved the needle either way. Again, don't get me wrong, he is light-years ahead of Darnold, but I'm not seeing the "jump" I expected, all while acknowledging that this whole trainwreck that Rhule is orchestrating is awfully hard for anyone to elevate above.

I want to agree, Phil, but even for the most patient person, I just don't see how Tepper didn't can Rhule after last season. This is beyond overkill now. These 2 weeks have been completely expected and yet simultaneously unbearable. I think he's going to be here way past his expiration and the season will already be lost... I just can't shake the fact Tepper brought him back in the first place, and every week we see more evidence of Rhule not having any idea what he's doing, and he comes back the next week and does the same thing or worse. It is the most hopeless I have ever felt as a fan.

I agree, the scheme is the biggest problem. I kept alluding to how easy the Giants were getting their scrubs open with their use of tight, doubles, and stack formations along with route combinations like drags overlapping each other or in tandem with flats. We just ran fuging spread formations and their nobodies clamped our receivers up.