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He's 28 so sounds like a stopgap while the rookie we drafted rehabs and gets up to game speed. Certainly don't want to rush that. Penny was a pretty decent fantasy get in a pinch last year. He can produce but he's missed some time. Is he better than Sanders? Probably. We certainly seem to be very committed to a strong running game. Good thing to have for any QB. But if we are going to start scoring points we have to sling the rock when it counts too.

To the Panthers the combine didn't matter apparently they already had their mind made up. Not to mention people had seen his pro day and the deep passing concerns showed up there just as it had been at Bama (he had the worst deep ball by far between him Mac Jones Tua and Jalen Hurts). Most people agree he and his camp engaged in deception about his actual playing weight and not throwing at the combine was a strategic move. Whether or not someone feels that raises to the level of malicious is a personal opinion I guess. But knowing it got him drafted first overall and then he went on to have one of the worst passing seasons ever despite the circumstances does not necessarily put his actions before draft night in a positive light. It also does not help matters that the GM who risked it all to draft him and lost his job in the process talked about Bryce Young getting into the weight room and then Bryce Young shows up this month looking every bit exactly the same. All of this puts even more pressure on Bryce Young in his second season. Hopefully he rises to the occasion. If not this is going to go down as one of the most cautionary draft stories in many years. Stay tuned.

Well at least we got the first zinger about Bryce haters out of the way on the first page. Folks here also groaned about Teddy Bridgewater and Sam Darnold haters too. We actually looked significantly worse after Reich was fired. That shutout loss to the Jaguars missing their starting QB is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. And that's saying something for our Panthers. People can want to protect him from meanies online but there are still 17 games to be played and 16 games worth of tape on him that plenty of defenders are waiting to pounce on. I can assure they don't give a damn about haters.

It will not require him moving mountains. But it will require standards that have applied to all first overall pick QB's over the years. Basic requirements: -Improve his footwork. -Display at minimum an above average arm compared to his peers. -Establish an undisputed consistent deep ball connection. -Finish the season no less than top 12-15 in most statistical passing categories. Particularly yards per pass attempt. All of this is doable with the additions we've made and with Canales on board. Even Kyle Allen looked competent for more than one single game. If not. First round QB in 2025.

Since you want to poo posts remotely critical of him months later why don't you return and own up to your thread?

I can appreciate the sentiment. But let's see the results on the field and then begin celebrating.

The worst thing that can happen to this franchise right now is accepting and moving forward with QB play that is "just good enough" to compete. In a league that is so absurdly skewed toward offense and passing the ball specifically you either acquire a dynamic passer or you keep looking until you do. Bryce is a nice guy his family seem like very nice people but we had the chance and did not pick the right QB and it really doesn't even matter anymore who is to blame. All that needs to happen is we accept reality. Even if Bryce Young looks better this year which will be roughly average or a Teddy Bridgewater if you will we still need to add another QB early in next years draft. The only way this shouldn't happen is if by some miracle Bryce Young has a season like CJ Stroud had as a rookie. But no amount of hopium is going to make the odds of that happening higher than 10%.

Let's hope to keep that kind of juju out of the mix this go around. I'm trying to be optimistic here lol.

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It is common overall certainly. But. None of those owners you listed own a team that they have been heavily involved in behind the scenes that currently holds the worst win percentage in all of professional sports. Also none of them that I know of make it a point to stop in local places in the city the team is based multiple times to directly address any vague criticisms. All this after an impromptu one on one interview where Nicole praised the best thing they've experienced with the Panthers is selling concert tickets. They bring this stuff on themselves. Optics wise it would be smart to just fall back and let the team president be the face.

Definitely. I'd like to see a QB3 with some actual potential in the event of unforseen circumstances as it's a 17 game season and since winning football games is kinda ya know the goal. But I get the sense we will see a relatively boring young QB that will not make any waves at all.

Remember when Bryce Young was a "mini Mahomes" in the making? Now he needs elite weapons across the board lol. Gotta love being a Panthers fan.

I'll be patiently waiting to see what OL additions we snatch off the waiver wire.

Look don't get me wrong here. I'm not arguing it's going to just change his arm talent overnight. I'm just saying doing anything on the physical front after the GM who stuck his neck out for him over the concerns around his physical traits got fired is better than doing nothing. That's another layer. It could easily be argued overall he needed to add at least 10 pounds not just for the sake of working in the pocket and not going down so easily but let's be honest eventually no matter how much we invest in the OL he's going to get hit some and those hits will add up. His frame as it stands is only going to absorb so much over a 17 game season. Oh definitely good or bad we will have to run a lot of under center stuff. Bryce will either look good or flounder. But our offense will remain stagnant if we just keep running shotgun plays 90% of the time. You're telegraphing your offense otherwise. That's why I'm not giving Chuba Hubbard too hard of a time over his YPC last year. We weren't fooling anyone. We'll see what Canales has cooked up. It better be pretty damn clever.

Roll the dice on whomever can build a culture here we've had enough of this loser mentality mess. Also. Fug Kenny Atkinson

The odds of Canales or anyone completely fixing his mechanics and footwork in one offseason are low let's just be honest about that. His mechanics are what they are because he's been doing things this way since high school to compensate for his height. In terms of his arm we will have to agree to disagree. In the short term adding any level of muscle would certainly help more than not given the situation. We cannot change his height. But even Scott Fitterer talked about getting him into the weight room. He's long gone.

I know we're in the hopium phase of the year right now but this is all over the game film that every defense we face is going to be waiting for. If Bryce keeps doing this sooner or later we are going to be stuck arguing over why this or that receiver sucks because they can't bail out Bryce all the time. Legette would just be next in line. Bryce is a first overall pick. He's got to figure out how to get some more torque out of his arm. These yarns about his frame and this and that just seem like an excuse to justify him not wanting to lift weights. He's got to match the output of his offensive counterparts who have been putting in the work.

Even Kyle Allen won 5 games. If we can't at least match that someone needs to be packing their bags.

Well this is disappointing.

Darnold looks worse the more he plays. But overall they are same tier. Both can make some big plays. But game to game starting it's eventually going to get bad. Both are good guys and likeable. Bryce Young is likeable too. But in terms of performance the truth and real world results are all that matters in football. In that regard we need to see Bryce Young look significantly better than any of the riff raff we've seen the last few years. For all of our sakes let's hope that happens

Remember that Saints game to close the season in 2022? Just abysmal QB play.

Dalton is honestly garbage. He's on par with Sam Darnold at this stage in his career. All circumstances aside you want your #1 pick to be a push minimum in comparison. Not one of the statistical worst rookie season of the last 20 years. Bryce has a lot of work to do and a lot to make up for. I hope he does. We will know by November.

More of the same arguments and copes. Yawn. Need this season to get here so we can definitively know what we have in Bryce Young and get the excuses out the door once and for all.

I was wondering about this so good to know they are going in a whole different direction altogether. Worse drafts than even Marty Hurney? Yeah.... see ya.