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Isn’t the bucs offensive line supposed to suck because of injuries? This has always been the knock on Burns, he’s a one trick pony, undersized DE who isn’t good against the run. The fact people can say that he’s worth keeping over 2 first round picks is insane. Once he gets his contract he’s going to be taking up a lot of cap space.

I saw that but to be fair I feel like that may sound worse than what it sounds. He could just be so focused on his team and trying to win the next game that he isn’t focused on what other teams are doing.

Omg stop it! You could literally say this about almost every close game in the nfl. At the end of the day we have lots of holes that need to be fixed. Yes we could have won with Horn but the bucs aren’t a great team and are beat up to hell. Every teams have injuries, great teams overcome them. if Tampa was healthy you think we would have just needed one player to beat them? No. We keep getting wins against .500 and below teams and people act like we are good. We aren’t. We are in a rebuilding Mode. We have a promising offensive line and some good young players at other postions. We could be great in a year or two, or we could be horrible with some bad luck, like injuries, etc. the nfl is unpredictable.

I mean technically most things are more important than football so why waste your time with it?

2 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

No you have criticized some for two whole seasons after they had just been drafted. And cheered for them to throw away the season for a top pick. Its pathetic. 

But hey, fug Derrick Brown, amirite? He is a terrible pick and a bust. Just awful.

He was horrible, granted it can take a few years for a player to develop but he wasn’t good at first and there were a lot better players who we could have gotten. The criticism was valid. Also you are so dumb you can’t think long term. Maybe sucking a season or two is better long term because you can draft a franchise player which will make you a good team for decades. Smart people realize this. They realize the higher the draft pick the better chance you have at getting a top player. Sure you could fail but let’s not act like there isn’t a big talent drop off from a top 3 pick to mid first round. That’s just stupid. If you want the panthers to win the rest of their games after basically being eliminated from the playoffs then you are a moron who believes participation trophy’s matter. Go enjoy your moral victories in your corner by yourself.

Wilks only had one job and that was to lose and he couldn’t have done that right. If we would have made the playoff we wouldn’t have made it because we were good, we would have made it because Tampa was horrible and our division sucked. Wilks is a sub.500 coach who has never beaten a winning team. Seahawks aren’t a winning team and had a weak schedule. You honestly want to keep a sub.500 coach? Don’t give me that Bs that we don’t have a qb, look at the giants who play in the toughest division, no qb, no WRs. 49ers are down to their 3rd sting qb and still win.

I would say DE. A good pass rush can mask a bad secondary. What was it 2013 or 14 when we had the best pass rush but horrible secondary? It didn’t matter because we were so good at getting to the qb.

Omg we criticized a player when they did bad… we are so horrible. Omg we want to be able to get the top qb in the draft so we can finally have a chance at a franchise qb. But yeah we are the bad guys because we don’t want to win out with a bad team and somehow make the playoffs with a losing record only to get blown out by the first good team we play. 

Wilks would have been Ron Rivera 2.0

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We've been doing it for years. Winning meaningless late season games once we're out of contention with nothing left to play for but draft positions. Some fans keep telling me these moral victories will help us build for the future, meanwhile we still suck.

Exactly! How many times times under Rivera would we start the season as the worst team, basically guaranteed a top 3 pick if we lose out only to go on a win streak after we get eliminated? I get it wins are important but winning when you are eliminated is pointless. Yes I know it’s not a guarantee to get a great player if you tank but you will be the first team to get a pick of any player you want. Also we could have traded that pick for more first rounders. Imagine how many more top players we could have had then?

Imagine thinking a qb is a bust after just 2 years…. Alex smith was worse for probably 6-7 years, lots of QBs were bad their first few years.

Fox,Rivera and Wilkes are basically all the same.

2 minutes ago, YourLastThought said:

Because the 1st or 2nd pick will most definitely yield you a guaranteed success at QB

No but there’s a good chance it will.

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, cast off vets at QB has just been working out great.

There’s some solid FA QBs and we can always make trades. What about Minshew? If we can’t get a top QB in the draft then we need to get a vet.

I’ve always thought we should move him to RB and use him as a pass catching Rb 

I wish he did tank.

We can always try to sign a free agent Qb and just draft BPA.

26 minutes ago, Smithers said:

They aren’t real fans anyways.  No need to check in on them 

Wtf? So because people want their team to get a top qb so they can be better they aren’t fans? I guess the “real” fans are the ones who want them to constantly be mediocre and blindly praise them?

Truth is fields and Wilson had high bust potential. While they are still young and could end up turning things around I think people need to realize that they both had some red flags.

Great a qb who can’t throw. But hey he will have 100 yards rushing and look exciting running

Jesus Christ…. Such a horrible team yet we can win the division. 

Tank! We need to get that top pick so we can draft the top qb.

I’m kinda glad. I don’t want our top players playing. I don’t want to win. Tank mode!

With our luck we will win to many games to get a top 5 pick.

22 hours ago, stbugs said:

Pre-combine/draft workouts he was. After, he was dropped from many top 50 lists. As @LinvilleGorge said above, those of us who watched the combine drills saw how bad he was. As fluid as Burns looked at the same combine in his drills, Little looked completely opposite. The fact that we would have picked Little if Burns wasn’t there shows you why this team went from 4 playoff appearances in 5 years to talent drained in 3 years with Hurney at the helm.

To be fair Orlando brown was horrible in work outs, I think historically one of the worst all time and look how he turned out. He was arguably the top LT in the draft for a while. Some players just don’t have enough to make it to the next level.