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The draft in retrospect is consistently a walk of could'ves, would'ves, and should'ves. If Brown wasn't one of "the guys," the team would have moved up to take somebody else. If Herbert was that player, they'd have moved up for him. The fact that they stayed put showed that they were comfortable with how the board ended up. We know this to be the case because this was exactly what was done with Greg Little. The top 4 QBs in the draft prior to last were Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, and Drew Lock. Just because the player plays at a position that the team could use an upgrade it does not mean that player is worth a top 5 pick. We have re-drafts all of the time showing this. Again, the idea that a team should have lost the Washington game last season to make sure they got the #3 pick is stupid considering the true cost that would require and the fact that any of the other W's could have been L's. There isn't any amount of spreadsheet adjusting that can be done to change that.

That sounds a lot like saying because you get to pick the first lottery ticket at the gas station that you've got a better chance of hitting the jackpot. Unless you're somehow aware of how the player's career will end up?

Nobody is arguing against the higher the draft pick, the better chance you have of selecting the player you want. We're saying that the idea that an NFL team should lose a game in pursuit of that draft positioning to bring in an unknown factor and hope that they take to the environment is incredibly risky at best, self-destructive at worst. I would think that this isn't a difficult concept either, but like with Brian Burns, here we are.

The idea that "We should have lost this game for draft positioning" is flawed in that literally any other W could have been an L to get to the position that folks are crying about. Along with the clear and present issues that comes from throwing a game (increased risk to players, loss of the locker room, potential fines, etc), there's also the flawed logic in that "your guy" is going to be "the guy." Case in point, Jeff Okudah at #3 last year. The year prior, @LinvilleGorge made a big to do in nearly every thread about how the team had played their way out of an elite pass rusher because beating the Saints took the team from the #9 pick to #16. Yet, here we are with Brian Burns. There can certainly be different philosophies in how to approach the draft, but the guy that thought Herbert was Gabbert 2.0, that the Panthers couldn't draft an elite pass rusher at #16 where they took Burns, that the new defense this year kept the team in a majority of the games, or that CMC's best position in the NFL would be slot WR is probably not the best person to try and talk up their views as being "logical."

Trolling some Titans message boards for some answers and a user claiming to have a source that worked with Warmack on non-football related stuff said that he was so wide and big at Bama that they never really did much to hone technique (which is the common complaint about Bama OL: they're big af but have no technique, heavy feet, etc). His weight also really got up there and he had to manage it. Mauler in the run game, weak in pass pro. High praise for his intelligence as well. Looks like he's spent the last few years as a back-up and was the first NFL player to collect on loss-of-value insurance due to college injuries.

Yes.

Veteran guard, former 10th overall pick, former Eagle & Seahawk (though he never suited up for SEA due to COVID opt out) I fully expect the team to reach out to him.

I would like this very much ty

Very interested to see this group as I've been paying a lot of attention to them. Will be interesting seeing another take

Does anyone else get "Don't Speak" by No Doubt playing in their head whenever they see the thread title? I've almost put my head through a window to get the song out.

Why must you say things that you know will hurt me?

When one of Marty's best post-2nd round picks is a throw away pick from Gettleman, that says a lot.

I would be super happy with Rashawn Slater Can plug him in at LG and then let him kick out to LT

The defense looked a lot better than expected and trended up while Bridgewater trended down. That much is certain. However, they also played their roles in the team's losses this season as much as people want to put that blame on one player that replaced their favourite. I'm very interested to see what the defense looks like this season with a full year under its belt.

Blame Game: Who's at fault for Panthers late game failures? Gamebooks Raiders - Defense gave up a scoring drive just before to force the Panthers into a game winning drive situation. The above article shows how the offensive drive was an amalgamation of issues Bears - Was never in a position to lead and somehow the defense couldn't stop the Bears' offense? Saints - Defense stepped up and kept the team in the game. No arguments here. Falcons - Was on the field for literally an entire quarter combined in the 2nd half as ATL effortlessly marched downfield. Chiefs - Defense once again was the let down. Offense kept up, but the defense started the 2nd half allowing the Chiefs to march downfield and miss a field goal, then score three TDs, and then "stepped up" when the team now needed two scores due to the defense not being able to hold up? Vikings - The defense gave up a TD with 50sec to go to give the Vikings a 1pt lead. Offense drove downfield and Slye missed the game winning field goal Broncos - Drew Lock was 21 of 27 for 280yds, 4 TDs, and 149.5 rating. Packers - Score was 21-3 after the first half and the moment that the Panthers got in striking distance (21 - 13) only for the defense to give up 3pts after a 10 play, 5:00 drive that went 42yds to make it 24-13 with 3:39 left in the game. The defense didn't step up: the Packers dialed it back. Teddy isn't the long term answer and I don't think you can find any sane individuals that would say otherwise, but to sit there and put a majority of the losses on him while misrepresenting the defense's contribution to those losses is something else.

This. Between the upcoming free agent group, draft class, and reduced salary cap I'm honestly surprised that Curtis would want to test the market.

The list (minus the summaries): 1. OT Taylor Moton, unrestricted free agent 2. WR Curtis Samuel, unrestricted free agent 3. DL Efe Obada, restricted free agent 4. G John Miller, unrestricted free agent 5. TE Chris Manhertz, unrestricted free agent 6. OT Trent Scott, restricted free agent 7. G Chris Reed, unrestricted free agent 8. LS J.J. Jansen, unrestricted free agent 9. LB Julian Stanford, unrestricted free agent 10. WR Brandon Zylstra, restricted free agent 11. RB Mike Davis, unrestricted free agent 12. WR Keith Kirkwood, restricted free agent 13. CB Rasul Douglas, unrestricted free agent 14. CB Corn Elder, unrestricted free agent 15. FB Alex Armah, unrestricted free agent 16. WR Pharoh Cooper, unrestricted free agent 17. LB Adarius Taylor, unrestricted free agent 18. OL Tyler Larsen, unrestricted free agent 19. OL Michael Schofield, unrestricted free agent 20. OT Russell Okung, unrestricted free agent 21. LB Tahir Whitehead, unrestricted free agent

At the same time, there doesn't have to be intentional obtuseness to the outright screaming people are doing for a QB, complete with implying that it would have been the difference between the Panthers winning those close games that they were in (meanwhile, The Riot Report put together a helpful article detailing "the blame game" in regards to those losses) and contending for a championship. Nobody will debate that QB isn't the most important position on the field. That isn't the issue. The issue is that some are all for selling the farm to get a QB (regardless of mileage on them) just to not have Bridgewater anymore. There is no attention paid to the salary cap and other position groups, which are incredibly lacking. That's the issue, and to pretend that that hasn't been happing is uninformed at best, intentionally misleading at worst. When you've got the same people popping into every QB thread making the same complaints about last season's starter (while at the same time ignoring their incredibly bad takes on Justin Herbert being Blaine Gabbert 2.0, Cam Newton not being a "true" NFL QB, CMC being a slot WR, etc) the narrative becomes pretty clear: who cares that we only have 3 (bad) starters on the OL next year, a QB is what is keeping us from the postseason. Like... that cannot be further from the truth.

tb100 so long as they're looking at giving Hurts an actual shot and not marching him out there to get sacrificed for the rebuild, I'm on board with the move. That Wentz contract is atrocious.

With Wentz being traded here soon, are you sure that him not liking Pederson was why Pederson was fired? @SOJASame

I have been explicitly told that Carolina chose to sign Shaq Thompson instead of James Bradberry and that it's Shaq's fault that both teams are not in the postseason. Surely, the $50M+ in dead cap space had no effect whatsoever on that...

Wild how some people hate this dude so much they can't even see a thread where he receives an award without dogging on him.

Really, really excited about the new way of approaching talent, especially the way players are viewed 18 - 50. That was the window we typically saw Hurney chase a player that he had fallen in love with, meanwhile Fitterer says, "All of these dudes are basically the same" and opts to move back. At the same time, if there's a proven player that can help the team, they're going after them. We're going from chasing that 1 superstar to almost get them to the postseason to acquiring as much talent (or proven talent) as possible to consistently get to the postseason. Let's fn gooo!!

People seem to be forgetting this when they whine this offseason. This team needs more than just a QB before it can hope to contend. It's almost like they don't care that the rookie contracts allow the team to be built up so that a young QB can come in and be carried until the team sees whether or not they'll carry the team themselves which will allow the team to reflect that in the way that they allocate resources.

Not firing Marty Hurney at the start was definitely the most disappointing move.