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I do appreciate you for being honest. Don't know why the other posters that actively hate Bryce keep pretending they don't. At least a good faith discussion can possibly be had then. I've said multiple times that Bryce is showing this season that he isn't the guy, but we still have posters that feel threatened doing something beyond hating him that think pointing out other shitty parts of the team is making excuses for or defending the QB play.

I can understand folks being exhausted and not interested in understanding what's happening with something they don't have direct control over. At the same time, I cannot understand some of those same folks feeling threatened by fans that do want to try and understand to the point of where they go out of their way to attack them in multiple threads they're not even participating in. With a couple of mods not wanting quality discussions and the majority of the active posters just wanting to scream into the void, it doesn't look like it's even worth sharing the all-22 analysis here anymore. I'll keep doing it for myself since it's fun (I've finally got the first half completed, the notes are not pretty) but to hell with trying to provide anything here that isn't scapegoating a single person it seems.

I've still got to watch the second half to watch, but the first half those two plays were both really bad for different reasons. The ball behind TMac (that he still should have caught, you expect your top-10 WR to make that catch) was especially egregious not because Bryce threw it behind him, but why he threw it behind him. Some have suggested it was because TMac was supposed to settle instead of drift over but the all-22 shows Bryce hesitate to pull the trigger when he had the initial look before hurrying up and trying to get it out. He showed that a looooooot during the end of his rookie season after getting beat up behind the OL for an extended period. Seeing it already in weeks 3 + 4 is really, really bad. Can't be seeing ghosts to the point of messing up mechanics like that if you're the #1 overall guy in year 3 The throw into three defenders looked like those identical INTs to start years 1 + 2. Don't even need to point out how bad that is to see a third time.

There were times Zavala didn't even get touched and his guy flew around him. The play where Bryce threw it into the DL's facemask he got blasted by Zavala's assignment. Sucks too because Tremble was the right read over the middle. He looked outright overwhelmed like his rookie season all over again. It's very concerning seeing multiple players regress, especially on the offense. That's supposed to be Canales' wheelhouse.

There's like... two defenders over top and another four intermediate. They're covering deep. If folks want to call out Bryce for playing poorly, the two plays that have stuck out the most so far that I've seen from the all-22 were the throw that was behind TMac and the one that he tried forcing into three Pats defenders that was almost picked. Those were both bad for different reasons, both of which were issues prior to his benching and of major concern seeing them already in year 3. Will be covering both of those when I get home and able to get the videos.

At least tag me if you're going to try and throw jabs.

Apparently he came in for Walton but then when the back-ups went in he sat? I'm trying to understand how they're visualizing using him, but I haven't figured it out yet. Seems like they're always assuming that there will be an injury so they need to have him available... only to plug in somebody else?

Yea, I'm going to throw bullshit the same way you and others throw bullshit daily. You still think I care about folks "picking" on Bryce when I've already clarified that it's because when trying to discuss anything not related to Bryce you and others like you come in with a boner to exclusively talk about Bryce. Hell, look at this exchange. Chandler Zavala posted a 0.0 pass block grade and all you can do is try to make it seem like it's a distraction from Bryce. That's a crazy obsession on your end. Seeking entertainment via purposefully misrepresenting somebody on a message board says quite a bit about how well things are going for you on your end. As I'm so affectionately told: I hope things get better for you.

His rookie season bought him forgiveness on my end, but in year three he cannot show regression to that basement-level performance he could barely string together. Yea, things haven't exactly been fair, but very few QBs end up in situations like Mahomes. Hell, even Stroud is struggling this season as the Texans for some reason thought that the best thing to do was detonate their OL. I don't think the team is in a good enough place to drop a rookie QB in. Best case scenario imo, they further build the roster during the offseason and march the team to a top-10 pick behind Bryce in the last year of his deal. If we're picking in the top-10 again, it means Canales isn't the offensive-mind that Tepper thought he was. Grab a reliable vet if there's one available and let the new rookie sit for a year. Last thing I want to do is grab another top QB prospect only to fire the HC after their rookie season. That doesn't exactly go very well for anybody.

By all means, be critical of Bryce. I don't run into the 10+ threads y'all create after every L to complain about him. I don't understand how you can jump to that conclusion outside of being hurt yourself. Since you still want to try and misrepresent, I'll say it one more time clearly for you and anybody else that just can't stand the idea of looking at the other starters on the field: Bryce hasn't played well and does not look like the answer at QB for the Panthers. No disagreement there. The disagreement has always and will always be over the ridiculous demonization of the player + refusal to acknowledge not only what he has done well (let's not pretend he didn't show that he could develop) but also what needs to improve on the team besides him. Do... do you not understand what derailing a thread is? That tweet you giggled over literally lists PFF stats... in a thread about PFF grades from the game? How is that derailing the thread vs. you carrying on? Good Lord, if only Bryce Young were taller maybe you'd be able to better figure it out.

I don't know why folks feel threatened discussing this stuff. It doesn't excuse Bryce's poor moments. That 4th down throw that he missed TMac on was vomit inducing. At the same time, what do we expect to happen with this type of stuff affecting the play?

More eeeeevil PFF data that doesn't exclusively focus on one player.

This thread is talking about the grades, which includes Bryce's. I'm referencing a thread that you personally derailed the other day that had nothing to do with Bryce. You can't possibly be that daft. As for as excuses for Bryce... name them? I can't wait to hear that playing his rookie season behind the 6th-string LG and 7th-string RG with DJ Chark as WR1 are "excuses." I've already stated he played poorly and has not played well enough to have his bonus option picked up. How is that cope?

Eric Eager was hired in May 2024 and this was the first draft with him involved. He's the "entire analytics department" some folks are referencing. Never mind that Football Analytics Manager, Benjamin Contrino, started with the team as an intern in 2019 with no ties to PFF.

It only took trading Adam Thielen plus injuries to Jalen Coker, Xavier Legette, David Moore, and Dalevon Campbell... but we finally get to see Jimmy Horn Jr in game action!

I mean, there really is cope coming from y'all. Did Bryce play well yesterday? Not at all. Was he the reason special teams gave up 167yds on 3 punt returns? Not at all. Was he the reason Chandler Zavala and Brandon Walton were ass? Nope. Was he the reason that the LBs continue to be doo doo? Negative. Hell, at this rate he's definitely not getting the bonus option picked up and it's going to be back to drafting "the guy" in April 2026 (2027 at the latest). He just hasn't been good enough in year 3. How in the world could you of all people call that cope? The cope really comes down to people thinking that Bryce is the main issue that this team is ass when that just hasn't been the case. Is there a low ceiling with Bryce as the QB? Looking like it, but the floor isn't in the dirt because of him. When somebody is spending 90% of their time on the board bitching about the QB and derailing threads just to do so, that's cope.

Looking at the numbers (plus Carolina being able to move the ball across midfield before shitting out), it's hard to believe the score was 13 - 42. Any time the offense got across midfield the clamps got put on. Situational football was a nightmare yesterday. Dragged ass (and got asses dragged) in all three phases of the game like what they had done to Atlanta the week before.

A 0.0 on 10 pass block snaps is insane. If things slow down later today I'm hoping to get a chance to start watching the all-22. The review thread is not going to be fun to have to put together this week.

Might be WR3 if Coker comes back and lights it up but XL doesn't. Gonna pull for XL til he's no longer a Panther regardless. I gotta support folks from the Carolinas when they make it to the league.

The Brycen Tremayne agenda continues #1 run blocker. Found our franchise WR4/5.

Bah Gawd, six missed tackles on special teams in one outing? We are in LB Hell. Bryce Young and Chandler Zavala bottom two offense grades? Some fans are going to believe PFF this week (or try to cope with, "even PFF could see how bad Bryce was!!!"). What more do Brady Christensen and Lathan Ransom have to do to stay on the field?

If Bryce was 7'5" special teams wouldn't have give up 55.7yds a punt return.

If Bryce were 7'5" my pressure washer wouldn't be broken.

If Bryce was 7'4" he'd have posse like Andre the Giant.

If Bryce was 7'3" Rozeboom would be DPOY and special teams wouldn't have given up 167yds on three returns today.