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If we'd drafted Stroud no one would be complaining.

Per the draft pick value chart you need 5 #30s to equal one #1.

Imagine having three straight winning seasons. That's what the Niners have had since that trade. Panthers fans can literally only imagine that. Yeah, they blew that trade but what keeps it from being an all-time awful trade is the team success they've had in spite of it. Winning fixes everything.

The two times we've been anything other than completely awful under Tepper were his first year when he was focused on business operations and during Wilks' interim period when he was likely just focusing on the future. He's probably still heavily meddling currently because he's desperate for Bryce not to be a bust. Well, Bryce hasn't thrown for over 200 yards since before Halloween and has only thrown for two TDs post-Halloween. He's thrown for under 200 yards in 8 of his 12 starts. Zero 250+ yard games. Bryce's bust-o-meter is bouncing off the rev limited right now.

Three of the four worst trade scenarios in Panthers history have happened in the Tepper era. 1. The Bryce trade 2. The CMC trade 3. Turning down the Burns offer The other one being trading for franchise tagged Sean Gilbert.

Not just draft night. The entire off-season cycle leading up to the draft. Our only hope is that the media doesn't turn on the "Bryce will be fine" narrative. If they do, it's gonna be UGLY.

This is the part the defenders refuse to acknowledge. Our QB isn't giving us an opportunity to compete. It's really that simple. Forget all the stat breakdowns. Just watch the games. There are plenty of plays where we don't have a chance. The OL gets blown up or receivers don't get separation and there's no running lanes to scramble. That's true. But there's also plenty of plays where there's an opportunity there and our QB doesn't give us a chance. Today featured a lot of them. It blows my mind that people are actually saying they were encouraged today simply because Bryce threw the ball down the field. Yeah, he did. But the results were awful. He didn't EFFECTIVELY throw the ball down the field. Honestly, he made me realize why we didn't throw the ball down the field more this year. We threw the ball 20+ yards more than 5 times twice all year. Week 3 when Dalton went 4/7 with a TD and today when Bryce went 1/9. Folks, we have a QB problem. I'm sorry, but it's really obvious. We have other problems too, but we absolutely have a QB problem.

I honestly don't care. I just want Tepper to significantly reduce his role in the football operations. I don't like Harbaugh but I'd actually be encouraged if we hired him simply because that would be a sign that Tepper has at least sold Jim Harbaugh on significantly reducing his role in the football operations because I don't think Harbaugh would take the job otherwise. Now whether or not it would actually play out that way? Who knows but it's be entertaining if it didn't because Harbaugh has never exactly been known as a great tongue biter.

We'd definitely be in the mix this year, that's for sure. We'd honestly probably be in the mix if we had simply played Dalton. I honestly thought we would've rode Dalton until the wheels fell off after his promising game in Seattle. There should've been no rush to get Bryce back out there

Yeah, pretty baffling. They have every right to be mad but the anger is misdirected. Kadarius Toney is the dumbass who lined up offsides. Be mad at him.

And Smith's ceiling was as a game managing average QB while playing for arguably the greatest offensive coach of all-time.

I just don't understand how everyone could see Mac's NFL limitations and yet convinced themselves that Bryce was some kind of super processor who would be able to overcome his. This narrative that Bryce was overcoming a talent deficit at Alabama was especially baffling. It's ALA-fuging-BAMA. Bama in a down year is still absolutely a top 10 NCAA roster.

5'10" guys with subpar arms generally go undrafted.

You expect a rookie to have some rough plays, bad games, missed reads, some bad turnovers, you expect them to be inconsistent. It comes with the territory. But you want to see flashes of special talent. You want to see them have some games where you're like "Damn! He looked like a legit franchise QB out there today!" It just hasn't happened. My concern is this might be the best Bryce is gonna look. Most 1st round QBs are drafted largely on potential. You expect them to get better as their experience catches up to their talent. With guys like Bryce you're expecting their experience and mature beyond their years mentality to carry them. Mac Jones was a similar guy. He threw for nearly 4k yards and 22 TDs vs. 13 INTs as a rookie. Everyone was talking about him as potentially the next Brady. Well, look at him now after the NFL has got more film on him and can better exploit his talent deficiencies. I fear it's very possible that we're seeing the best of Bryce right now.

Nobody will be happier than me if the guy turns around and plays like an All Pro next year. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again in the future. I'm happy to be wrong if it works out in the favor of my team. It just seems about as likely as me passing David Tepper on the Forbes list.

Read it and weep for the folks with constantly shifting narratives of excuses. It is what it is.

It's halftime so I just went through his passing charts for the season. Here's the 20+ numbers... Week 1: 0/1 Week 2: 1/3 Week 3: 4/7 (oops, that was Dalton) Week 4: 0/0 Week 5: 1/1 Week 6: 0/2 Week 7: BYE Week 8: 2/3 Week 9: 1/1 Week 10: 1/3 Week 11: 0/2 Week 12: 0/0 Week 13: 1/4 Week 14: 1/9 According to the passing charts Bryce has only attempted 29 throws all year over 20 yards. He's gone 8/29. 8 20+ yard completions all year. Keep in mind Dalton had 4 in one game in the same offense throwing to the same receivers.

Well, this was a dud. The Eagles might be 10-2 but I've been saying for awhile their luck will run out. They're a better version of last year's Giants that one every close game. They're finding ways to win a lot of games they should probably be losing. Eventually the law of averages usually catches up. Tonight they're just getting blasted though.

It's a grit and bear it paycheck in the meantime for everyone here.

It's pure cope. Hell, plenty of analysts are still parroting the "Bryce will be fine" mantra while at the same time admitting that his footwork is all over the place and he's missing throws he should be hitting during the game. It's like they can point out all of the bad on a play by play level but can't get themselves to take the next step and admit that this guy probably ain't gonna be fine.

1/9 on 20+ yard throws today. 9 of his 13 completions were less than 5 yards in the air. That's right. 70% of his completions were under 5 yards. That means that when throwing for over 5 yards he went 4/27 since he was a perfect 9/9 when throwing for less than 5.

He was 3/15 for 29 yards at halftime.

I think it's funny. Pretty much just confirms what we all assumed and what had been widely rumored. Tepper's Panthers is a completely miserable work environment. Everyone in the building with a guaranteed contract is just begging to get fired ASAP. Hell, everyone with the contacts to land another NFL gig fairly easily is begging to get fired at the end of the season.

Many on this forum significantly overstate the struggles of our OL. They aren't good, but go watch the Giants or Commanders if you want to see TRULY atrocious OL play. We aren't the worst by any measure. Honestly, subpar OL play is largely the norm. There's a handful of legit good OLs in the league and everyone else is varying degrees of bad. It's not too early to evaluate his footwork (now that's something that's worst in the league), his arm strength (subpar at best), ball placement (again subpar), and just overall eye test performance (fail). I honestly can't see him ever being a plus player. He'll never lift a team over what you'd expect them to be able to achieve with an average QB. That's honestly starting to sadly look like his ceiling. Simply not being a liability.

Welp, add the Eagles' punter to the list of guys who are better NFL WBs than Bryce Young.