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We knew his size when we drafted him.

I think he was drafted primarily as a return man and then we were going to look to develop him as a WR but he didn't impress as a returner and probably just isn't far enough along as a WR to make it. We'll hope to stash him on the PS and if someone picks him up, oh well. That's just the way it goes with 6th rounders sometimes.

Jones isn't close to the naturally talented passer that Darnold is. Darnold throws as good of a ball as anybody. He just has that panic gene in him.

Yep, pretty much.

Exactly. This preseason gives me concerns simply because we've been so trash for so long and year after year we try to convince ourselves that preseason doesn't matter and we're going to magically look better as soon as the regular season gets here. It hasn't worked out for us like that. I sure hope it does this year but I'm done having any positive expectations out of this organization. I'm going into the season hoping for the best but fully expecting trash. That way there's no disappointment. If we're trash it's like "yep, business as usual again". If we actually do magically flip the switch this year it's like "fuging SWEET, this is awesome!"

Everything about AR's demeanor in the NFL screams that they should've identified serious mental make up red flags during the pre-draft process. I mean, if you're going to roll the dice on a project type player you have to at least be convinced that the guy is coachable and he's going to commit himself to improving his craft. There just haven't been any signs of that from AR.

That's why I said stats aside. I lived in CO during Allen's college career and didn't have kids at the time so I watched most of his games. Bruh, I'm telling you. Balls just spraying all over the place. The type of throws where you're honestly trying to figure out who he was even trying to throw that one too. It was crazy. Richardson was inaccurate in college but at least you could tell who he was trying to throw it too. He threw a lot of early in the game Cam Newton type balls where it seemed like he was just a little too amped up and everything was a few feet high. Richardson's misses looked like they were maybe fixable with working on his footwork, release, etc. Josh Allen's misses looked like "ain't no way you're fixin' that poo, dude has a cannon equipped with no sights". LOL Huge props to the Bills for evaluating him as fixable and indeed fixing him.

Stats aside, I know it's hard to believe, but just pure eye ball test Anthony Richardson at Florida looked like Drew Brees compared to Josh Allen at Wyoming. Like I said, it's honestly impossible to talk about Allen's inaccuracy at Wyoming without sounding like you're talking in massive hyperbole. Bruh couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. LOL

If we're still flailing and need a QB when Arch Manning comes out in the draft, well... Because Tepper is all about hype trains and to get a hype train with the last name "Manning"? Bruh is gonna be like, "I want that guy and I'm willing to trade... The absolute cherry on top of that dog poo sundae would us be swinging the trade and then the Mannings to be like "Yeah, remember Eli to the Chargers? Same thing." LOL

You said you were talking about how fans and media perceive the preseason so that's what I was talking about but now you're saying that you're talking about how it's viewed from within the organization? I mean, okay. But you could've just started there and then there would've been no misinterpretation.

Yep. Honestly, Josh Allen is the most obvious bust I've ever seen in college. The strides he made as a passer I would've previously said was impossible. It's difficult to describe how wildly inaccurate Allen was in college without coming across as hyperbole. He had never completed 60% of his passes before the NFL. Not at Wyoming, not in junior college at Reedley, not even in HS. This was Josh Allen in college against decent competition Just listen to that exasperated "wow..." from the announcer. Bruh is a professional college football commentator and can barely comprehend the level of trash he's watching. LOL For that guy to turn into a legit MVP NFL QB absolutely boggles the mind.

The major issue here being that Richardson went #4. The Panthers correctly evaluated that sitting at #9 we were simply too low in the draft order to land one of the top QB prospects. Now whether or not the move was worth the cost or whether or not we picked the right guy, those are completely different questions but sitting too low at #9 was the correct evaluation of the situation. Honestly, I'm not sure how much AR even played into our planning process there. Really seemed like it was Young and Stroud. We were fine with either as was shown by us first trying to trade up to #2 initially, but obviously ultimately preferred Young.

I was intrigued by him but always said it comes down to the interview process and talking to his former coaches, etc. You gotta find out if he's coachable and has the mental makeup. I think we've found the answer. LOL

Yeah, natural physical ability. That's what people mean when they say "talent" in regards to football.

Yep, I was pissed we drafted Beason that year instead of Olsen. I wanted Olsen. Fast forward a couple years and we end up with both and both were great players.

If you could give Bryce the talent of AR you'd have a surefire HOFer.

I'll never forgive the NFL for letting the Broncos use Cam's head for a piñata in the SB in the very season where blows to the head of the QB was the officiating area of focus. Then, just to rub salt in the wound and seemingly prove their point, they turned around and did it again in week 1 of the following season.

Yep. I wonder how many people don't realize that at first and think they're gonna get tickets for all the home games for $15/month then are like... uh, yeah... fug that. LOL

You're right. I misremembered. It was $15.

I know Evero prefers smaller, more agile defenders at the nose vs. the prototypical 3-4 NT but surely to god we aren't actually going to play a 6' 280 pounder there.

Again, I think there's a difference there between contenders and bottom feeders. Contenders realize their team is basically just trying to stay healthy and evaluate the bottom of their roster. For bottom feeders those fans are desperately looking for some glimmer of hope to hang onto that this might be the year that we're gonna see actual improvement. We didn't get that.

They were advertising PSLs for $19 recently. LOL

What we did with Bryce there was smart, which is such a rare thing to say about the Panthers in recent years. The guy was drowning out there and continuing to play just want helping him. He needed an opportunity to step back and just take a breath and work on some things without the pressure of having to play. It worked. Now we need him to take the next step. Maybe the Colts are thinking they can do the same thing with AR. I definitely expect them to go back to him at some point this season because Daniel Jones ain't gonna be it and you gotta give that former top 5 pick another look before giving up.

For contenders I agree. For teams trying to change their culture and dig themselves out of the gutter of the league I think preseason is more important. Not the final score, but you want your starters and key reserves to go out there and look confident and build some confidence. We need to do that in the preseason and stop doing it by winning meaningless games at the end of throwaway seasons that do nothing but tank our draft stock. That approach has clearly not been working for us.