Jon Snow

It's amazing what getting the right FO and coaches can do for a team. Tepper is still trying to figure that out.

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well in this context we are talking about "talent."

The pool of players that have potential to be top 10 players at their position is fairly small in this draft. This is largely the general of view this class. 

That doesn't mean you can't get very good players or starters. It doesn't mean guys won't perform better than their "projections." That happens all the time.

But these general takes on a class or position tend to be correct more often than they aren't. 

Good recent example was that 2022 QB class which was largely viewed as one of the worst in recent memory. And, it's largely been that....minus Brock Purdy. But the entire rest of that class is 2nd or 3rd string QB's after amassing a LOT of games started. 

I think the top 10 are due the overall lack of studs in this draft more than they are studs themselves. But that is just my opinion i suppose. Hell I thought Bo Nix was a wasted pick by Denver.

I stuck with Vegas at 4.5 wins.

Agreed on overall talent. Have not changed that opinion for 7 years now.

Same on the rookie draft class.

Same on Colbert.

Whiffed on:

Bryce being done here.

Coker being anything special. 

Defense being a push from last year.

Chubba breaking 1000 yrds for the season. 

Bo Nix (so far)

Just now, kungfoodude said:

This draft is very light on elite talent but there are a lot of positions that have substantial depth. WR, EDGE, etc. 

There is no excuse to not end up with 2 new starters with our first two picks.

I think that elite term is overplayed. None of these guys are elite at the nfl level and a majority will never be. What we want are gamers, not paper warriors. All too often players are valued by measurements and not proven ability. Find those guys that will be better than the 2 everyone is fawning over.

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

There is another WR who seems to be under the radar--Bech, from TCU I think.  Like Legette, had a strong SR year without doing too much before that, but his hands are great--will see how he runs.  Beck reminds me of AT, from what little I have seen

I also like that kid Kingston I think is his name from BYU. There's some hidden gems in this draft at wr if you look hard enough. You just have to look past the 2 that is constantly being hyped.

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

That is exactly like I feel.  Not a huge fan of the WRs this year.  I do, however, like Xavier Restrepo from Miami in round 2.  He has great hands and is always open.  Probably more suited for the slot.

I also like the kid Lance from ND State. Kid has hands and can get open. I hope he goes unnoticed and we can snatch him up on day 3 or UDFA. 

Pass.

1 minute ago, L-TownCat said:

We aren’t drafting a QB.  I wasn’t trying to imply that in any stretch,  I just meant the teams that need them will push other top prospects down the line to us.

Best case scenario we get to select the first defensive player in the draft.

Wasn't implying you were. I was referring to the overall draft and threw in my speculation about the Panthers. Sorry for the confusion. 

1 minute ago, L-TownCat said:

“1st round QB” definition has changed since the rookie wage scale.  It’s no longer a death sentence to over draft the most necessary position high in the draft.  But you may be right.  We’ll just have to hold our breath and see what shakes out.

If you're a team looking for an instant starter you will not find one in this draft. There might be a practice squad upgrade here or there for us though. As for a FA upgrade I'm at a loss. I would be shocked if they drafted a qb late to replace Andy as a "developmental" qb. The offseason is going to be a hoot.

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

But they do next year.  What are the expectations for him to get the option?   

You'll have to ask Dan Morgan and Dave Canales. 

1 minute ago, L-TownCat said:

5 QB needy teams ahead of us and the one that doesn’t sits at #1?  Not bad.

And only 1 1st round qb in the draft.

8 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

They're so goofy with some of these takes. They don't realize what they're even saying. Eagles have Smith and AJ, not to mention the threat of Barkley (2000 yards on the season with another game to go). 

I didn't pay alot of attention to that game but I'm sure those guys bailed their QB out most of the game.

I did watch the Giants though. Lock's first TD was like a 40 yards screen to Nabers. His second was a 10 yards pass to Slayton and he broke it for like 40 yards. His third TD came after Nabers caught the same underthrown deep ball that some are saying was impossible for our 1st round receiver to come back and catch. That put them inside the 10 yard line for an easy throw to a wide open receiver. His 4th was a 5 yards pass to Nabers that he broke for like 50 up the side line. Meanwhile Carolina receivers going down where they catch the ball.

I'm sure that if you put Young on the Eagles he could have produced the same results or better. 

Just now, 45catfan said:

Evero is trying to get fired.  Wonders why he even agreed to come back in the first place.

He was still under contract. Unless Tepper fired him he couldn't go anywhere. I wish he would have punched Tepper in the face and gotten fired. Win/win for everyone. 

Just now, Ricky Prickles said:

Bring n da Plumma for the final game just for shits and giggles and to see what we have in him.

I would not be surprised of he at least doesn't the 2nd half.

1 minute ago, outlaw4 said:

Really? I mean, I fully expected this defense to be completely eviscerated today without Horn and not having a run game on the other side to minimize their time on the field.

The soft zone allowed 2 no name players to look like pro bowl players out there. They left Evans wide open on 3rd down time after time. Evero is done here.

27 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I haven't looked at where we pick but I'm assuming it's within the top ten.

I'd strongly prefer pass rusher there but it's possible we could get a decent free agent for that role, so...

They need both. They need to sign some pass rush help and draft a couple more.

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

Scheme of the D is great. Talent is abysmal. 

Giving up 48 points says otherwise. Tampa had guys open everywhere all day long. 

Just now, uncfan888 said:

Yeah I'm off paying Higgins. Fix the defense 

I fear there isn't enough cap space or available FA'S to do much before the draft. Dan better be able to find 3 or 4 studs in the draft. I'm not sure what they do about RB and WR.

2 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

Tampa knew we had no running game and they got ahead.. They knew we had to throw the ball and they feasted in the second half. Especially with thielen and coker being the only people on our team that can actually catch the ball

I predicted this going into the game. A blind man could see that coming from a mile away. What I didn't see coming was how bad this defense could truly be scheme wise. It needs a complete overhaul. Sadly we also need another RB and a couple more WR's as well.

Just now, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Do our guys even know their assignments?

No apparently not. 

I told you fools this was going to happen. 

42 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

I’m really not a sensitive guy, but it seemed like he enjoyed it. We deserved it, no doubt, but he was much less analytical with us than I was looking forward to. I didn’t expect rosy commentary, but with his football IQ, I thought it would have been different.

He's not going to call out specifically what the issue is. He's giving you the symptoms and letting you diagnose the disease. 

45 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

Love Greg, but it felt like he bagged on us a lot this past game so my petty has come out of hiding some. 

He bagged on the team because they deserved it.