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5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't disagree but that doesn't mean we can't sign free agents. I mean, we literally have to do this. Everyone in the NFL does.

 

Cheap 1 yr contracts sure. They have to field a complete roster of course. What I'm saying is they should not be handing out any contracts over 2 years to anyone until they draft their core players. So far i would argue they do not have na single one. Until that happens I do not have any faith that this team will ever be more than the worst team in the league. 

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

We can't hand out big FA contracts but we also can't sit on our hands. You make a couple of shrewd FA moves and it starts to tilt the scale towards actual rebuild. 

If I thought like Tepper and felt the team is only a couple of players away from competing then that is probably what I would do. But this team is nowhere near being able to compete with anyone right now. They would be getting curb stomped even if they didn't have a single injury. This team will not break .500 for another 3 years. That's if Tepper doesn't fire everyone again and they magically hit on most of their draft picks. You cannot convince me otherwise. 

1 minute ago, strato said:

Two rookies too. 

Man, though. We can find a WR down the draft we don't need to keep pumping big capital into this offense with the kinds of defensive holes we have.

Now you're getting it. This team does not need to hand out anymore big FA contracts. They will have to draft their core and weapons, none of which they have yet. They have 2 rookie receivers that may or may not pan out and 1 that has been a disappointment. They do not have a qb1 or 2. The LT is still debatable and the defense, where to start. If you think they are fixing that in 1 offseason I pitty you.

1 hour ago, Tr3ach said:

My biggest concern with Legette being able to run a full route tree is his change of direction and quickness.  He's very fast running in a straight line once he gets going, but he's not going to get separation on lot of routes that rely on anything besides the straight line speed.

He can get open a catch the ball. That's all that matters. I'm sure they are not done with receiver room by any means. It looks as if they may have 2 potential contributors now and that's a good start. Be happy they even have that right now.

You think they are doing this on purpose? This team is 3 day old swamp ass. They couldn't win a game if the opponent spotted them 2 touchdowns.

49 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I think there are definitely traits for a #1, and we never draft wr based on it.  That is being quick, with good change of direction that can run all of the route tree.  We never seem to look at route running ability when scouting receiver at all.

To be fair most of the receivers coming out have a limited route tree. Some catch on faster than others but most just become solid contributors at best.

2 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

The problems with all those receivers you mentioned is which one do you see having a true #1 skill set?  XL is a specialized receiver and obviously can't run a decent bit of the route tree to create separation.  I'm a huge Coker fan but I don't see him being a true #1 either but he seems even more promising to me than XL on the field.

They can always draft another receiver and will keep adding to the group. There is no prototype for a #1 if that's what you are looking for. 

Just now, hepcat said:

The veteran market is awful. Winston is the best of the bunch and that’s not saying much. They have to draft 2 QBs in 2025

I think they draft one in the next draft. I think who will make the selection is currently in doubt. I still say it will be Tepper and possibly a new GM and Coach.

4 minutes ago, d-dave said:

I think it makes sense to trade Young in the offseason during the QB musical chairs, much like how we went after Darnold from the Jets.

They will trade him unless he has a miraculous turn around before the season is over. I put the odds of that at 1% as it stands right now.

6 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

No, its pointless. We can find guys with higher upside easily, we arent winning poo outside of a few meaningless games with Dalton.

There's no upside to any of the street FA'S. If there were they would already be employed. They are just younger without the nfl pedigree. I would not consider any of them as a reliable bridge to the future. Anyone they sign will not change the fortunes of this team. They are going to have to draft their way out of this. 

2 hours ago, strato said:

I am afraid the focus will be on this little QB again. At that point I won't give a poo what they do with the defense. Or the offense or the turf or the concerts or the soccer team or any of their poo.

I think Young is done here. They may play him the rest of the way but even that will depend on if Andy even wants to start again. I get the impression he would rather sit this season out if the choice was his to make. But Young will be shipped as soon as they have a better replacement. 

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Looking over at our cap it doesnt appear we have much room to sign anyone as it stands now

This^

Just now, Shotgun said:

That seems true with every position this upcoming draft. Who is worth the 1st overall?

I'm not seeing one yet. Or should I say I have not seen a clear cut stand out to say yeah that guy is the best of the class. It looks like a few late 1st guys and a bunch of 2nd rounders then a mixed bag after that.

3 minutes ago, HPPantherzfan said:

Besides T-Mac, and I'm not sure we need more WR's, who wouldn't be over drafted at number 1?  I don't see anyone that stands out as "Absolutely must take this player" unless you are in dire need of a WR.  So, with that, someone has to be taken 1st and if we get that opportunity, then we may as well take the BPA at a position of need...QB!

I would feel better if the Panthers ended up in the 2nd or 3rd slot myself. But Tepper is going to Tepper this thing so it doesn't really matter what I think. I'm just an observer.

I'm telling you that any qb taken 1st overall will be over drafted. So far this entire class is underwhelming. 

5 minutes ago, Donald LaFell said:

If he’s happy in a backup role I’d love to have him back just to be a QB in the room who has had success(however limited) in Canales’s offense. 

I’m after any semblance of consistency year over year. 

I thought the goal was not to continue this mess. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. Right?

Just now, Jaxel said:

Agree about ward, he spends a lot of time with the ball in his hands. Weak class over all but if it's gotta be a QB, I would take Sanders first. Much more of a pocket passing player.

I'm not sold on him either. On top of that his dad is toxic and I do not want him anywhere near Tepper. If you think it's a circus now you haven't seen anything until you have Dion in Teppers ear influencing his decisions.

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Does Dalton have any flaws?

Other than being only a backup that has only 1 game in him a season? No, he seems to be a pretty good dude.

1 minute ago, strato said:

I made another post that was more descriptive of my thoughts on how it may have gone with Wilks but I am of the opinion that if it came down to Bryce Wilks would balk, hard.

 

If he did maybe that was why he didn't get the job.

48 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

He will not have all that time to stand in the pocket and find wide open receivers in the nfl. I need to see him under pressure before I'm a believer that he has what it takes in the nfl. I still say there's not a qb in this draft worth the first overall pick.

3 minutes ago, strato said:

That was after Wilks was gone. I don't know how what I stated was not open ended enough to allow for all of that and not still be accurate. It was more of a comment of the way things went. 

Maybe I misunderstood your post as thinking Wilks would have chosen a different qb. My point was that Wilks would have not gotten who he really wanted either. That's my point. Maybe I shouldn't have had that last White Russian. 

1 minute ago, strato said:

Did you disregard the second line? I guess you did. 

No, I'm saying you're wrong. Bryce was going to be the pick as soon as they traded for the 1st pick. It was decided before the combine. It took a while for Frank to accept his fate so he decided to go along. Wilks would have suffered the same fate.

2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I think they should trade out of #1 if possible to stay in top 5 and get a 2nd in 2024. Just need to add talent. Doesn't matter the position. No reaching. No projects. No workout warriors that didn't produce. 

If someone calls with a ridiculous offer I would listen but otherwise I'm not looking to trade down. Take the best available and call it a night. 

12 minutes ago, strato said:

With Wilks, no Bryce. With Bryce, no Wilks.

I feel pretty sure about that, but I could always be wrong,.

Tepper was picking the qb regardless of who the coach was. If you think Wilks was changing that you are sadly mistaken my friend. 

BPA. Don't overthink it.