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That's not how I remember it but I won't argue the point.

Maybe it's because he had Theilen and Coker last year and this year he only has a rookie, an undrafted rookie, a practice squad receiver and a reclamation project. And Legette

LOL. No we just aren't locked into an opinion because we don't like the way he looks.

Theilen was targeted 62 times last year, had 12.8 yrds/rec and a 77.4% catch rate. Not sure where the 137 comes from.

Just tired of the Panthers going form one QB, to another to another to another to another to another to another. They had mayfiled but he wasn't good enough for anyone around here. They had Darnold but again, he wan't good enough for anyone around here. Now it's Bryce. I saw what he is capable of last season with Theilen and Coker. I'm not ready to give up on him simply because he's not performing to the same level with rookies, undrafted free agents and a reclamation project.

I appreciate everything you say. I would only add that Bryce did have that great receiver in Theilen (at least for him). Losing him set him back. There is a lot potential in the rookies but at this point, it is just potential.

LOL

I can't argue about the drop/fumble. That's the damndest thing I have ever seen. A couple more of those and I might go to the dark side lol

And how often has that happened in the last 3 years. Besides, the offensive line has nothing to do with the arguments in the OP

Did you not read anything? The Panthers haven't spent any real money on receivers and their draft picks have not been good. That should pretty much sum it up for you.

To bad he can't turn them into receivers

I never said he needed all pro talent around him. I just pointed out he has never had any real talent besides Theilen and he wasn't anywhere near an all pro

Mingo? Johnson? Chark? Shenault? Marshall Jr? Which of those receivers was a good pick and turned into a good receiver?

He was with Theilen and Coker. WIth the Vikings and Kirk Cousins as QB: Theilen averaged around 10.6 yards/rec and had a 67.8% catch rate WIth the Panthers and Bryce Young as QB: Theilen averaged around 10.2 yards/rec and had a 76% catch rate

True. Moving forward they should look better. BUT, as good as Tet looks, he's still a rookie, Horn is still an undrafted free agent, Legette still struggles and Coker can't stay healthy. IF, Legette can find some consistency and IF Coker can stay healthy, than I think the offense should be better. If not, than that will be on Young.

You are missing the point. It's not that they haven't invested enough resources in the offense, it's that those resources have not produced talent for young to work with.

Trying to properly invest and properly investing are two different things. The bottom line is regardles of the picks and FA signings, Bryce had had a lack of talent to work with

Really because according to pff, he had one of the better ratings under pressure last year.

A lot has been made of how heavily the Carolina Panthers have invested in their offense to support Bryce Young — yet, despite that spending, he continues to struggle. Most here believe it’s Young’s lack of size and arm strength that is to blame and no amount of investment could compensate for what he supposedly lacks physically. That’s just BS. Yes, the Panthers allocate more of their salary cap to offense than to defense, but nine other NFL teams spend even more. And while those teams generally have established franchise quarterbacks, they also share another important characteristic: they invest heavily in wide receivers and tight ends. When ranking teams by total dollars devoted to receivers and tight ends, the Panthers sit dead last. So, while Carolina may appear to spend heavily on offense overall, that spending is not reaching the positions that most directly supports Young and the results are predictable. Against the Dolphins, for example, the Panthers’ receiving corps consisted of a rookie, a practice squad call-up, a reclamation project, an undrafted free agent, and Xavier Legette. The tight end group included Tommy Tremble, another rookie, and yet another practice squad player. Five of the seven pass-catchers who played in that game had never appeared in an NFL contest the previous season — three were still in college, one was watching games from home, and another was buried on a different team’s practice squad. And yet when the offense struggled, it was blamed on Bryce’s lack of physical talent - not on the lack of experience around him. The lack of spending on the receivers and tight ends isn’t a one year thing either. The Panthers have ranked near the bottom of the league in receiver and tight end spending in each of Young’s seasons. Their draft investments at wide receiver — Jonathan Mingo, Legette, Coker, and Terrace Marshall Jr. — have yet to yield consistent production. In addition, the front office has signed around nine free-agent receivers during Young’s tenure. Six were former practice squad players with little or no NFL experience. The remaining three — DJ Chark, Diontae Johnson, and Adam Thielen — offered mixed results. Johnson proved to be a distraction and lasted only 13 games before being traded to Baltimore, where he was released after four appearances. Chark was serviceable but unspectacular and departed after a single season. That leaves Thielen as the only proven, reliable receiver Young has played with in Carolina — and notably, he is also the only free-agent wideout from that group still active in the NFL. In other words, over two seasons, Young has had just one receiver who could reasonably be considered NFL-caliber. Combined with questionable draft evaluations, it’s been a recipe for persistent offensive struggles. Even with all of that said, in the second half of last season, Young showed significant progress. He played with poise, threw accurately and on time, and demonstrated command of the offense. With Thielen and Coker as his primary targets, he looked like a potential top-10 quarterback with pff and other pundits regularly praising him. This season, however, Thielen is gone, Coker is on injured reserve, and Young is left throwing to rookies and reclamation projects. Given that lack of talent, it should come as no surprise that both he and the offense have regressed. The quality of a quarterback’s supporting cast has a direct impact on performance. It’s that simple. When Young had receivers who could run precise routes and find soft spots in coverage, he did well. Without that, his production has suffered just like it would with any QB. Blaming the Panthers’ offensive struggles solely on him is not only unfair — it ignores the broader context of poor roster construction and misallocated resources and judging him within that context is simply unfair and shortsighted.

Or maybe they were 32nd because his other receivers were Jonathan Mingo, DJ Chark, and Terrace Marshall JR..

If you really believe that, then there is nothing else for me to say.

Damn. What a stud!

I don't know that I would call that a wild statement. I mean, yeah, Ginn had a good year in 2015 but his other two years with Cam were just average. I absolutly do agree with the statement that Cam was a big part of Olsens career and have no problem crediting him with Olsen's wildly successful career.

duplicated

I know the point you were making. My point is the original post stated a good QB elevates the talent around him. You are correct that Smith was better under Cam than Clausen. I agree with that. But he was also better with Delhomme than Clasuen as well. Cam didn't make Smith a better receiver - Clausen just made him worse.