cranky

Couldn't you find a play in every game with every QB were they got credit for a TD or some yardage but it wasn't really because of anything special they did. Tha's just part of the game. And if you are going to say Young doesn't deserve credit for the TD, then couldn't you make the same claim with Chuba. I mean all Chuba did was run in a straight line. He didn't juke anyone or break tackles - just ran straight to the end zone. He was able to because of great execution: the pass was good and his blockers all hit their man allowing him to go in untouched. So does he really deserve credit it for the TD. Again, I'm not trying to be argumentative. It just seems Young is held to a diffrent standard than other young QBs.

Not trying to be argumentative but I'm not sure what else Bryce could have done in the Rams game to have been better. He completed 75% of his passes, threw for 3 TD's, was 46% on 3rd down conversions, averaged a little over 8 yards a pass and had a 147 passer rating. I mean he can only work with what he is given and I thought he did well with those 20 possesions. And I'm not sure those 4th down plays were called because the offense wasn't working. Like I pointed out above, they were converting over 46% on 3rd downs and they only punted 3 times on 8 positions. I would guess those 4th downs were because Canales knew they couldn't beat the Rams without the extra possessions.

I think he's just gun shy. The man has been brutalized over the past couple of years, both locally and nationally. I think he's just very carefull about what he says now.

Your missing the real stat. Shough is 6.5" - Bryce is 5'10". That's all you need to know.

Don't forget about Hunt.

Nah, they don't need to do that. They just pay lobbyist and politicians to write the laws they want and then they use media (Fakebook, X, TikTok, Fox News, NY Times, etc) to keep us unwashed masses fighting between ourselves over matters that really don't matter instead of the things that do.

Says the person who calls those who he disagrees with "stupid"

It's funny. I avoid reddit and X because of how toxic the users are - and yet I keep coming back here.

Maybe. But Tepper donated 67 million to Carnegie Mellon when he was in Pittsburg and has given somewhere around 23 million here I believe. I am sure some of it is PR, but knowing where he came from, I believe part of it is just him wanting to give back.

So you are saying you would have preferred that Charlotte said no thanks and sent him and the Panthers packing? How much better off would the community be without the Panthers being a part of the city. Once they were gone, would you then just abolish the hospitality tax that is being used to pay for the updates even though it is also used for other things like the Charlotte Convention Center, Spectrum Center (Hornets arena), as well as tourism promotions, etc. I also believe it was used to help fund the Nascar Hall Of Fame here as well. I have to admit I do not like seeeing public funds used to fund sports either but if you want a major sports team here, it's going to cost regardless whether its the Panthers or some other team.

I seem to disagree with a lot of people on this board but brother, that is one thing we can both agree on!

10 years ago you didn't have rushing QB's like you have today. Jackson, Allen, Hurts, Nix, Williams, etc. Maybe part of the drop off is from QB's running it more often instead of attempting passes. Running QB's have changed the way the game is played and QB's are measured statistically.

I agree he does look good but I do not think he is good enough...yet.

Horn can't fall again, they need to stop the run and they have to keep Shough contained in the pocket. Simple

You could say that about almost any team owner regardless of the sport. That does not diminish the good they have done.

Again, it's not one stat. The chart is from Pro-Football-Reference as of this morning. The difference between Young and any of the other QBs between the Orange highlights is significantly insignificant. So if you are claiming Young should be replaced based upon those numbers, than so should everyone around him - which is just foolish.

The funny thing is when I brought up Youngs lack of talent and coaching his first year, I was told "your just making excuses". When I brought up that maybe some of Youngs early struggles this year were in part because of lack of experience in receivers, I was told "your just making excuses" again. But when you talk about Mayfields' performance this year, you point put all the injuries contributing to his low numbers. When CRA talks about Lawrences' low numbers this year, in another post, he blames them on his receivers "letting him down". Double standards. Anyway, Mayfield is 14th in QBR at 60 as of this morning. That's 2 spots above average. Hardly "quite a bit above average". Unlike the hard core haters on this board, I will admit that a QB's numbers are dependant on the talent around him and agree Mayfields numbers have been affected by injuries this season. I am not trying to trash Mayfield. I am just claiming CRA's post that Young sucks because his numbers are below average is misguided as they are pretty much in line with Baker Mayfield, Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix, Michael Penix, Trevor Lawrence, Cam Ward and Caleb Williams numbers.

Look at the chart. if you are claiming his numbers prove he not an NFL caliber QB, than neither is Bo Nix, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Michael Penix, CJ Stroud, Baker Mayfield and Mahommes. They are all below average and within 2 points of Youngs' numbers.

No I am saying your arguement that Young is bad because he's below average in yards, comp % and rating is a weak arguement. Claiming a QB is trash because they are at 63.1% when the average is 64.% is stupid. Yeah, it's true they are below average but so are the other 16 QB's that are below average as well

A QB's primary function is to pass the ball but you don't care about the comp %. That says a lot right there. Mayfield is 90.1, 100.9, 84.2 and 30.1 on downs this year after yesterdays game. Young is at 94.4, 80.1, 73.4 and 156.3 this year. So Young is better on 1st and 4th downs while Baker is better on 2nd and third. So it's a split. How about per quarter. Young is 85.3, 69.0, 110.2 and 86.8 in 1st/2nd/3rd/4th quarters. Mayfield is 84.2, 90.5, 108.7 and 82.6. Young has better numbers in 3 of the 4 qtrs. Again, show me were Mayfield is "quite a bit ahead of the average in many categories" because I can't find them.

Yes, Mayfield is above average with INT %. He's actually very good there. I'll give you that. I'm not worried about rushing numbers. Young is 67.5% on 1st, 66.2% on second and 57.6% on 3rd downs. Mayfield is 59.2% on 1st, 66.4% on 2nd and 53.6% on 3rd downs. I bring all of this up only because I think people on the board have an idea in their head that is not supported by the facts. Everyone keeps bringing up his bad stats but when you compare them to other QB's with similar experience, they are all pretty much statistically the same. Better in some areas, worse in others.

The article shows the numbers going down from 243.5 to 228 then 217.9 and then 208 (or 217 as you say) last year. They have been going down both long term as well as short term. Having a Qb's throwing for ovre 250 a game isn't necessarily a good thing any longer. Prescott and Mahommes lead the league in yardage but neither team has over 6 wins (unless the Chiefs win tonight). The drop-off isn't huge, but it is there.

Saying their numbers are below average because they have played injured is just making excuses that do not hold up. They did not play hurt. They played till they got hurt and then they didn't play - simple. Funny you failed to bring up Caleb Williams. Mayfield is below Young in: comp % (63.4 vs 62.4), TD % (5.0 vs 4.9) and success rate (44.9 vs 44.1). He is not way above the average in any stat - none. Not even "a bunch". And since you ask, Young is not only above average, but is the best QB on 4th downs. His passer rating on 4th downs is 156.3, ahead of Mahommes, Mays, Geoff, Allen, Hurts, Preskott, etc. Not only is it the best, but he also is near the top in attempts so it's not like he had one attempt and it worked. Mayfield for comparison is anear the bottom on 4th downs with a rating of 30.1. Another area Young is above average with is GWD and 4th qtr comebacks - since you asked.

Looking at only the top passers only, it would appear they haven't changed but when you look at the NFL overall, they have. Here is a link to an ESPN article discussing that subject: Why passing numbers are down From that article, the passing numbers ince 2016 have gradually declined from 250.9 to 202.8

Well than so are Baker Mayfield, Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix, Michael Penix, Trevor Lawrence, Cam Ward and Caleb Williams. Are you claiming they should all be dumped because they are also below average?