yeah saw some stats where ob had most of his big games against unranked teams. landry supposedly had better games vs harder comp...take that for what its worth.
Bob McGinns rankings
Posted 01 May 2014 - 10:20 PM
There's a mistake in the bit about Adams. He's a third year sophomore.
Posted 02 May 2014 - 10:49 PM
O-line Rankings. link
TACKLES1. GREG ROBINSON, Auburn (6-5, 329, 4.91, 1) – Redshirted in 2011 before starting two seasons at LT. "He's such a massive human being," one scout said. "He's explosive, everything. He overextends some, but he's a better athlete than (Cyrus) Kouandjio and way more powerful. He'll mash you. You can see his punch. He comes off the ball. He's not as tall as (Orlando) Pace but he ran good, too." At the combine, his arms were measured at 35 inches, his hands at 10 inches, and he scored 22 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test. "He's bust-proof," another scout said. "He might be a right tackle, not a left tackle. He's got great feet and great punch. He mauls people." Not so fast, according to scouts who worry about his underdeveloped pass-protection skills. "I love Robinson, but what hurts him is he doesn't know how to pass block yet," a third scout said. "It's not his fault. It's the scheme." From Thibodaux, La.2. JAKE MATTHEWS, Texas A&M (6-5½, 308, 5.04, 1) – Latest pro from the famed Matthews clan that includes Hall of Fame father Bruce, perennial all-pro uncle Clay Jr. and standout cousin Clay III of Green Bay. "He'll walk in and play left tackle and sit there for 10, 12 years," said one scout. "If he plays like his dad, he'll be there 19 years. He's an easy choice for anybody. Real consistent. Technically sound. Moves well. Got a great demeanor." Three-year starter at RT before replacing Luke Joeckel at LT in '13. "He's an all-pro guard in my mind and probably could be an all-pro center," another scout said. "He played much better at right tackle than he did left tackle this year. But you can't miss on him." Scored 32 on the Wonderlic. "I do think he could (get knocked around)," a third scout said. "He's got short arms (333/8). I don't think he'll be a left tackle. People fall in love with the last name. If his last name was something else, I don't think he'd be picked as high, honestly. Jake Matthews is a very good player, but I don't see much difference between him and Zack Martin." From Missouri City, Texas.3. TAYLOR LEWAN, Michigan (6-7, 311, 4.85, 1) – Four-year starter at LT. "He's had some off-the-field issues," one scout said. "He's also bigger, more athletic and has longer arms than Matthews. He's the fastest O-lineman in the draft. I know he can pass protect from left tackle. He is the guy that is not getting his real due, OK?" Also led tackles in the broad jump (9-9), bench-pressed 29 times and posted 21 on the Wonderlic. "He'd be an OK left (tackle) and a good right tackle," another scout said. "There's some issues there, I'm sure. Somebody described him as Eddie Haskell, which is probably a good analogy. I don't worry about that. But you don't want to be getting calls at night on the guy." Has repeatedly lost his cool on and off the field. "He's got a mean streak," a third scout said. "He's eccentric. When he was young, he'd ride around campus on a tandem bike. Not a typical Midwestern lineman." From Cave Creek, Ariz. "(Jake) Long was better because Lewan is undisciplined," a fourth scout said. "He's a better athlete than Jake Long, but he's not as tough. He's about 10% of the leader Jake Long was. Lewan's in it for himself. He loves it when people tell him how great he is. It's to his detriment."4. CYRUS KOUANDJIO, Alabama (6-6½, 322, 5.57, 1-2) – Third-year junior started two seasons at LT. "Extremely long arms (355/8) and an outstanding pass protector," one scout said. "Still learning the run game and getting good leverage. That's going to come. You're talking about a left tackle for a long, long time." Ran a horrendous 40 at the combine and worked out poorly. "Boy, after the way he ran, (expletive), I'd be scared of him," said another scout. "That was terrible. Wait 'til he starts matching up here. I don't think it's going to work. If anything, I think he's got to go to guard." Blew out an ACL two years ago but it remains a major problem. Executives from two teams said their doctors flunked him, and two other clubs expressed concern. "Some teams will say they're not worried about it, he can give us four or five years," a third scout said. "He does have ability. For whatever reason he just did not play to that ability this season. Very inconsistent this year. Probably needed another year." Won't turn 21 until July. From Hyattsville, Md.5. JA'WUAN JAMES, Tennessee (6-6, 311, 5.28, 1-2) – Four-year starter at RT. "Athletic enough to play either side but more suited to the right," one scout said. "He can walk in and start for you right off the bat. Solid, not spectacular. Has a lot of talent. One of those eight- to 12-year guys as a starter if he can stay healthy." Has 35-inch arms. "Very intelligent (Wonderlic of 25), great kid, solid player," said another scout. "Great family. Just draft him because you'll never have a problem with this kid." From Suwanee, Ga. "He's kind of like (Alabama's D.J.) Fluker from last year," a third scout said. "Just a big, powerful guy with long arms."6. JACK MEWHORT, Ohio State (6-6, 312, 5.38, 2) – Started at guard in 2011 and at LT in 2012-'13. "I can't get him in the first round because he falls off too many blocks," one scout said. "He's got athleticism, toughness, leadership skills and work ethic. Somebody will get a real solid player there in the second round." Bright (Wonderlic of 36), committed and has 34-inch arms. "He doesn't have a dominant feature that would put him in the first round," another scout said. "He's not athletic enough to play left tackle, and he's not powerful enough to play right, and he doesn't bend well enough to play guard. If he does go first round that's a huge reach. Kind of like when Atlanta took the kid from USC (LT Sam Baker, 2008)." From Toledo, Ohio. "He's a tough kid, a throwback," a third scout said. "I don't want him as my left tackle. He's not athletic enough. To me, he could play guard. If (the 49ers') Alex Boone can do it so can this guy."7. MORGAN MOSES, Virginia (6-6, 312, 5.20, 2-3) – "I was disappointed in him, I really was," one scout said. "He looks like Tarzan but kind of plays like Jane." Made his first 30 starts at RT and his final 12 at LT. "In September, I'd have said forget this guy, he's overrated," another scout said. "But the guy had a really good year doing what he does best, and that's outside pass pro. Not a good play-strength guy. Not a good run blocker. Has never really embraced the whole process as far as passion and work ethic." Long arms (353/8). "He's got some fatal flaws in terms of stiffness," a third scout said. "I could see him being a starter but not a very good starter." Although fearing he might revert back to his lazy past, a fourth scout said, "He may sneak into the bottom of the first. He's a better player than (Seantrel) Henderson and (Antonio) Richardson and a 1,000 times better kid and teammate." A fifth scout gave him a fourth-round grade. "Those Virginia offensive linemen scare the heck out of me," he said. "They're always athletic as heck but they're soft. There's something about Virginia. Maybe it's too academic or something." From Richmond, Va.8. ANTONIO RICHARDSON, Tennessee (6-6, 330, 5.30, 3) – Goes by "Tiny." Third-year junior with 24 starts at LT. "He's not a sudden twitchy guy, but he's so big and massive," one scout said. "He's not a fast, short-area athlete. Probably better on the right side, and maybe down the road he can move inside. But you've seen guys with worse athletic ability than him get it done on the left." Played on a surgically repaired knee in 2013 and appeared hampered. He's off one team's board medically. "At one time people had him as a potential first-rounder," another scout said. "I did not see that. I don't like his lower body. He's top-heavy. I don't see the power to play the right side or the agility to play the left side." Strongest tackle on the bench press (36 reps). Has 35-inch arms, too. "I wouldn't bet on it (becoming a starter)," said a third scout. "He's not tough enough, smart enough, all that stuff." From Nashville, Tenn.9. SEANTREL HENDERSON, Miami (6-7, 335, 5.05, 3-4) – Started 26 of 43 games at RT. "He's got a big, beautiful body but he didn't play with a sense of urgency," one scout said. "He quit on the (pro day) workout. I thought he was a lazy butt down there at the Senior Bowl. I'm not much for taking them dogs myself." Certainly looks the part. "He has the talent to be right there behind the Auburn kid (Greg Robinson)," said another scout. "He's amazingly athletic." He admitted to scouts and in interviews that his multiple suspensions were because of marijuana use. "Off the board," a third scout said. "Dope, dope and more dope. He needs help." From Cretin-Derham Hall High School in St. Paul, Minn., where he was the nation's No. 1-rated offensive lineman in 2010. "Personally, I wouldn't (draft him)," a fourth scout said. "But you start going through the board of guys that can actually start in the league and be good starters, I mean, there aren't many guys. Somebody will take a flier on him." Wonderlic of 15.10. MICHAEL SCHOFIELD, Michigan (6-6½, 303, 5.01, 4) – Started 10 games at LG in 2011 next to Lewan and the past two seasons at RT. "If Taylor Lewan wasn't there you'd hear about him more," one scout said. "There's not a lot of difference between them. He's physical. Very tough. He's a good football player and a great kid. He doesn't get by 50." From Orland Park, Ill. "He's a backup," another scout said. "He might start at guard but he's got to get stronger. He's an average athlete. He's one of those old, solid, play-for-eight years Michigan guys. But I wouldn't want him as my starter."
Posted 02 May 2014 - 10:50 PM
1. ZACK MARTIN, Notre Dame (6-4, 309, 5.2, 1) – Started a school-record 52 games, all at LT. "Love him," one scout said. "Not a real bulky guy. All I know is he's got a great jam and can punch the hell out of you. Nobody beats him. Everybody keeps wanting to move him inside. Well, you better have somebody that can block those outside rushers." Height and arm length (327/8) make a move to guard or even center seem inevitable if not immediate. "Damn good," said another scout. "He might be as safe a pick as there is. I like him better than the (David) DeCastro kid (from the 2012 draft). DeCastro never could have played left tackle at Notre Dame." Two-time captain from Indianapolis. Wonderlic scores of 21 and 27. "Much better player than (Justin) Pugh a year ago," a third scout said. "This guy's a tougher, stronger guy. He can get you out of a game as a tackle but he'll be a really good guard."
2. XAVIER SU'A-FILO, UCLA (6-4, 306, 5.02, 1-2) – Started 21 games at LG and 19 at LT in 2009, '12 and '13; went on a Mormon mission to the Florida Panhandle in 2010-'11. "He's got really good foot and body quickness," one scout said. "Better off playing inside. You worry a little bit about the power there but he's a very good athlete. I can see in the right system somebody falling in love with him." Third-year junior from Pleasant Grove, Utah. "Tough kid and plays hard," another scout said. "Just needs some technique work." Will be 24 in January. Should become the Bruins' highest-drafted O-lineman since 1999. "The pear-shaped body kind of holds me back," a third scout said. "He's got good feet. He'll sustain."
3. JOEL BITONIO, Nevada (6-4, 304, 4.94, 1-2) – Started at RT in 2011-'12 and at LT in '13. "He's pretty efficient as a left tackle but best suited as a guard," one scout said. "He doesn't have elite feet or length (337/8 arms). He's a tough (expletive). He's not a road-grader. He needs to get stronger but he tries to finish your (expletive) and he's smart (Wonderlic of 29). He's really grooved." Blocked well against UCLA LB Anthony Barr in the 2013 opener. "He can play tackle, guard or center," another scout said. "All he does is block his guy. Tough, smart. Second round."
4. GABE JACKSON, Mississippi (6-3, 338, 5.51, 2-3) – Started all 52 games at LG. "He's big, in the (Larry) Warford class," said one scout, referring to the Kentucky guard drafted in the third round by Detroit last year. "He moves better than Warford did. He has second-round ability. My issue is if he can pass block." Strong, tough and a dependable technician. "If you're a power team he'd be OK," another scout said. "He's all right if the (defense) doesn't move. He'll come off the ball and hit you." From Liberty, Miss. "He's kind of been leaking oil since the season," said a third scout. "People were kind of high on him early on. Ever since the Senior Bowl he's come down to earth. Now I see him as just a downhill power guard."
5. TRAI TURNER, Louisiana State (6-2½, 308, 4.95, 2-3) – Third-year sophomore with 20 starts at RG. "Not a real massive guy in terms of lower-body strength," one scout said. "He overcomes some of that by playing with pretty good toughs and motor. He works to finish his blocks. He's quick and has some straight-line speed, but he's a little stiff in some of the change of direction stuff. He's a young, young guy. Raw and has a little ways to go." His 21st birthday isn't until June. "Strong guy, got some feet, long arms (34)," said another scout. "Doesn't play hard all the time. Probably end up being a center. I know people love him. He doesn't thrill me." From New Orleans.
6. CYRIL RICHARDSON, Baylor (6-4½, 331, 5.29, 3) – Played in a spread offense for the Bears before getting down in a two-point stance at the Senior Bowl and having a brutal week. "He had a little problem down there but that doesn't bother me so much," one scout said. "I just think he can do it. He's powerful. He can pull, he can fold, he traps, he can run block and he'll knock you down. He's a little bit like the tackle from Auburn (Robinson) in terms of run blocking. Larry Warford was probably a better pass blocker." Started at LT in 2011 and at LG three other years. "He's kind of too big," said another scout. "He's a plodder." Second-longest arms among the guards (345/8). "Lazy," said a third scout. "Big, fat, lazy." Went to high school in Fort Worth, Texas, after moving from New Orleans in 2005 after Hurricane Katrina.
7. DAVID YANKEY, Stanford (6-5½, 316, 5.49, 3-4) – Fourth-year junior with 26 starts at LG and 14 at LT. "A real battler," said one scout. "Generally a good anchor. Gets careless with head duck and will lunge. A Stanford kid will do what he needs to do to be successful." Smart (Wonderlic of 30), has 34-inch arms and adequate strength. "He's consistent at being inconsistent," another scout said. "There's a lot of want there, but I just think he's nonathletic. He's a stiff guy. That bothers me. But you know what? There's so many in the league like that. I don't like him." From Roswell, Ga. "I must not know what the heck I'm doing," a third scout said. "He's one of the most disappointing guys I saw. I see that guy get pushed around, then he ran 5.5 at the combine. You've got to be kidding me. Free agent."
8. BRANDON THOMAS, Clemson (6-3½, 318, 5.07, 4-5) – Everything changed in spring when he blew out a knee in an individual workout with the Saints. "He'd have gone second round," said one scout. "Somebody that's got some extra picks in the third may shelve him. He's got a chance to start." Started 30 games at LT and nine at LG, but projected to guard by most teams because of height. Has the arm length (34¾) to play outside. "He is going to change pro workouts," said another scout. "He is all about football. Coach on the field. Why do (we) need all these extra workouts? They've seen them on tape. If you worked out at the combine, there should be no workouts permitted after that. If you didn't, you get one workout. Who's going to pay for this kid's problem that was created by the New Orleans Saints? I think these workouts are foolish." From Spartanburg, S.C.
9. DAKOTA DOZIER, Furman (6-3½, 313, 5.39, 4-5) – Four-year starting LT almost certainly will shift to guard. "He played good against LSU (Oct. 26) and he was (expletive) against (expletive) competition," one scout said. "He can sink, he can bend, he's athletic. Just not real nasty. Needs to get stronger. There will be a learning curve. He plays a little cautious. He is talented." From West Columbia, S.C. "Tough, physical player," another scout said. "He actually has a little bit of an up side and could probably start." Added a third scout: "He might be the best small-school guy out there."
10. SPENCER LONG, Nebraska (6-4½, 320, 5.2, 4-5) – Walk-on from Elkhorn, Neb., who arrived as a 245-pound DE in 2009. "Kind of a self-made guy," one scout said. "I think he's a starter in the league as long as his knee checks out." Underwent season-ending surgery for MCL damage after being hurt in the sixth game. "Not a great athlete but he moves well enough to get out in space," another scout said. "But he's more of a mauler type." Three-year starter at RG. "(Expletive), no," said a third scout. "He's stiff. He's sixth or seventh round for us."
Posted 02 May 2014 - 11:09 PM
Posted 02 May 2014 - 11:27 PM
james is great but couldn't win the left tackle job over tiny..neither could dallas Thomas.
Posted 03 May 2014 - 07:04 AM
Could JuWuan James be a legitimate dark horse candidate at 28?
I hope not. After hearing josh Norris talk about him, James doesn't sound like someone you want until the 3rd round or later.
Posted 03 May 2014 - 07:28 AM
Posted 03 May 2014 - 09:00 AM
I'm a huge fan of Beckham, but I just can't see the whole Beckham hype. I don't think he's better than Lee, Cooks, and possibly Benjamin.
I think the hype comes from how he will project as a NFL receiver. He is versatile and has shown to be a good route runner ....gets separation.
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Posted 03 May 2014 - 08:07 PM
I think the hype comes from how he will project as a NFL receiver. He is versatile and has shown to be a good route runner ....gets separation.
You're correct. My problem is, I don't think he will be as good as what people think he will become. I think he'll be a very good no2 and ST player, but not a true no1. You don't draft a no2 WR in the 1st round.
Posted 03 May 2014 - 08:41 PM
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