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#37 pstall

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 10:57 AM

For the record I have not gone Lady Gaga over Luck. Or Newton. It's a roll of the dice with every pick.

Cutler is the only qb in the last couple of years that fits the profile of going against top notch D's with SEC.
Flacco and Big Ben played D1AA and mid major football and both have been to the playoffs multiple times. Two SB's for Big Ben. Sure having a great D helps but the qb's have played well.
Matt Ryan has played in the ACC. A casual look at the ACC and you want to puke, but the ACC has produced very good NFL defenders the last few years.

I have no issues with Luck or Newton and so far, no hint of red flags for me. The Panthers have what appears to be one of the more safter #1 overall picks coming up. For the record, I totally didn't think Alex Smith was the overall top pick when he came out either.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:00 AM

Well, his college coach said that he was the best QB he has ever seen. What greater endorsement of a player do you need?

Especially because the college coaches for guys like Leaf and Russell were practically begging teams not to pick thier busted ass players.

#39 MadHatter

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:01 AM

But Luck faced a top 20 defense once this season.

He was 29 of 46, 241 yards, 2 scores, 2 picks.


Not saying the kid is not a legit NFL QB, but seriously, most of you are completely delusional with how much you are building him up.


Well played Zod....posting more controversial statements to generate more traffic on the board.

You are a Capitalist Pig at heart....and I respect that.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:10 AM

The hype alone will make him an 83+ overall on Madden, and that's really all that matters. I will dominate once again. :D

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:10 AM

Armanti Edwards was 17/23 for 227yds and 3td's passing and rushed for 62 yards and another td against then #5 Michigan in 2007 and the general consensus is that he is not an NFL caliber quarterback.

What does this mean? That looking at individual game statistics as a barometer for success is foolish and is just a shallow way to justify a fake argument.

#42 HSCBandit07

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:15 AM

For the record I have not gone Lady Gaga over Luck. Or Newton. It's a roll of the dice with every pick.

Cutler is the only qb in the last couple of years that fits the profile of going against top notch D's with SEC.
Flacco and Big Ben played D1AA and mid major football and both have been to the playoffs multiple times. Two SB's for Big Ben. Sure having a great D helps but the qb's have played well.
Matt Ryan has played in the ACC. A casual look at the ACC and you want to puke, but the ACC has produced very good NFL defenders the last few years.

I have no issues with Luck or Newton and so far, no hint of red flags for me. The Panthers have what appears to be one of the more safter #1 overall picks coming up. For the record, I totally didn't think Alex Smith was the overall top pick when he came out either.




Aside from character and mechanics issues you mean?

#43 TheRealDeal

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:30 AM

Not sure yet. I am waiting to see who our new HC is before I decide.

I think JR hires another defensive minded run out the clock coach. If so, trade down for Fairley, pick up a second rounder and pick up best available WR. I am not so certain Moore or Clausen are not good enough to be game managers.



the way the league is shifting/changing......game managers ain't enough. You need a legit NFL QB. How many teams in our division have QBs in to simply "not lose" games.


I have to disagree again. There is only one team that is dominating based on the pass alone with a few .500ish teams mixed in. To win in this league you must be able to run the ball and stop the run.

ATL got exposed last night when Turner got shut down. NO got beat bad the week before when they couldn't run the ball. Steelers run the ball and stop the run. KC runs the ball and stops the run.

You can believe in Manning, Rivers, Green Bay, Houston all you want but not one of those teams is in the playoffs yet.

QBs that can air it out will often times get you on SportsCenter but the ones that win championships have great defenses and run games behind them.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:32 AM

But Luck faced a top 20 defense once this season.

He was 29 of 46, 241 yards, 2 scores, 2 picks.


Not saying the kid is not a legit NFL QB, but seriously, most of you are completely delusional with how much you are building him up.


Check out this almost identical statline:

26 of 41, 256 yards, 2 TDs, 2 picks

That was Sam Bradford's statline against Florida in the national championship game in a loss.

Edited by X-Clown, 28 December 2010 - 11:34 AM.


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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:35 AM

QBs that can air it out will often times get you on SportsCenter but the ones that win championships have great defenses and run games behind them.


The Patriots run the ball, but it is out of an almost spread offense. Brady throws the ball loads. Granted, they do play great defense, but they don't win by running the ball.

The establish the intermediate pass, loosen up the defense, then run.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:40 AM

Not sure yet. I am waiting to see who our new HC is before I decide.

I think JR hires another defensive minded run out the clock coach. If so, trade down for Fairley, pick up a second rounder and pick up best available WR. I am not so certain Moore or Clausen are not good enough to be game managers.


they arent

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:51 AM

If trading down is so important, why are we not advocating the firing of the guy who gave away our 2nd rounder?

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:55 AM

Luck has to be the #1 pick, regardless of what you think about Clausen. He's to good to pass up. If Luck is there and we trade down I will not be buying any Panthers tickets for a very long time.

I can certainly see it.... With the 1st pick in the NFL draft.... the Carolina Panther select.... Billy Joe, DT (Made up name if you haven't figured that out).

"WTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Good lord I can see Hurney screwing us over. Anyone else think he could?