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I am very surprised that Newt is that high. He has been savaged for 20 years. For him to only need VA, NV, and OH or Penn, is pretty interesting. Dont forget Wisconsin

Wisconsin will stay blue. Remember, it is blame the incumbent and the incumbent governor in Wisconsin has certainly made a lot of headlines.

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I'd be pretty surprised if Obama doesn't win Wisconsin simply because the unions will go absolutely all-out for him there after the Scott Walker/labor rights mess there.

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If FLA is a swing state (I think it safely swings red this time around), then it is crucial that the nominee convinces Rubio to be his VP.

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The map turns very red with Rubio on ticket. Latino support already in 50's for Obama down from 80% in 2008

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With looming economic doom over the horizon, i sincerely doubt that Obama will win the next election, unless Americans really are that plain ignorant. You think Obama's and congress' ratings are low now, wait till the dollar tanks...that'll be the official nail in the coffin for them, which works in Ron Paul's favor being he is the only candidate that doesn't subscribe to the fascist status-quo. I still think there's a good chance Obama won't run for re-election next year. In the political world, Obama has an eternity till the next election...considering this and current on-going developments he faces, i.e. escalating wars and the domination of the middle east with sights now on Iran; economic turmoil that will make the 2008 crash look whimpy in comparison; heightening of fascist police state in correspondence with rising protests...let's just say A LOT can, and probably will happen between now and then, which will hopefully help Americans to see the world and its systems in a different light.

Ron Paul in my opinion has the best chance to win because he is the only person who stands out from the rest. Obama, Gingrich, Romney, Perry, etc are literally all clones of eachother. When sh*t hits the fan I would like to think that people will no longer continue to look towards these establishment puppets who have been enabling this mess from the start.

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In a head to head matchup with Obama, most polls show that Romney is fairly close, with any other republican candidate anywhere from 7-15 points behind. Paul has a solid loyal base of support, but his appeal to moderates is nearly non existent.

I don't know why Ron Paul's appeal to moderates is nearly non-existant as you describe. I would consider an "extreme" president/politician to partake in reckless behavoir such as spending trillions of dollars to bail out banks; dropping bombs on, and exploiting the resources of middle eastern countries for global corporate control and Anglo-American dominance; having a private company controlling the country's monetary system, while lending out trillions to foreign banks during a recession and having to show no accountability; the continuation of torture and other inhumane tactics; illegal smuggling of weapons to other countries who then use them in return to kill Americans with; the hieghtening of the American police state and their targeting of American citizens under the guise of "domestic terrorism;" etc. Unless extreme is the new moderate and vice-versa, I don't find anything moderate whatsoever about the Bush/Obama administrations, and somehow they both found their way in office.

I think people these days must be confusing the definitions of moderate and extreme with eachother if they think Paul won't appeal to "moderates."

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I hate to be the debbie downer, but it doesn't make a difference who wins. The last real president of the people got his head blew off riding down the street for trying to do his job. If you think anybody is brave enough to go that route"(no pun intended) again you're crazy. I'd like to think Ron Paul is different. It's hard for me to trust anyone knowing how fugged up this poo really is.

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With looming economic doom over the horizon, i sincerely doubt that Obama will win the next election, unless Americans really are that plain ignorant. You think Obama's and congress' ratings are low now, wait till the dollar tanks...that'll be the official nail in the coffin for them, which works in Ron Paul's favor being he is the only candidate that doesn't subscribe to the fascist status-quo. I still think there's a good chance Obama won't run for re-election next year. In the political world, Obama has an eternity till the next election...considering this and current on-going developments he faces, i.e. escalating wars and the domination of the middle east with sights now on Iran; economic turmoil that will make the 2008 crash look whimpy in comparison; heightening of fascist police state in correspondence with rising protests...let's just say A LOT can, and probably will happen between now and then, which will hopefully help Americans to see the world and its systems in a different light.

Ron Paul in my opinion has the best chance to win because he is the only person who stands out from the rest. Obama, Gingrich, Romney, Perry, etc are literally all clones of eachother. When sh*t hits the fan I would like to think that people will no longer continue to look towards these establishment puppets who have been enabling this mess from the start.

You are giving Americans way too much credit.

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what wars are escalating exactly? Other than ones we are not involved in perhaps....

Nice to see venom and pantherfan49 are on the same page with this, sounds like Obama has a better chance of winning than I thought given their combined track record on, well, everything.

Other than making the name "Obama" sound funny that is.

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I hate to be the debbie downer, but it doesn't make a difference who wins. The last real president of the people got his head blew off riding down the street for trying to do his job. If you think anybody is brave enough to go that route"(no pun intended) again you're crazy. I'd like to think Ron Paul is different. It's hard for me to trust anyone knowing how fugged up this poo really is.

I fear that about Ron Paul as well. This is why it's imparative the system be exposed, otherwise the cabal will continue to run the show behind the scenes as the public figure heads in office rotate in and out.

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