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#1 cookinwithgas

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 01:46 PM

http://www.charlotte...ory/647626.html

We were talking about the F-22 a few weeks ago - 137 planes like these are plenty.

And Obama apparently does not have the same problem with the existing helicopters his predessor did.

#2 natty

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 01:49 PM

But Bethesda, Md.-based Lockheed, the nation's largest defense contractor, has said almost 95,000 jobs could be at stake if the Pentagon didn't buy more of the planes.


Buy them or we'll fire thousands of people. Great marketing there....

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 01:52 PM

But then how will we survive the Great Presidential Helicopter Wars of 2012?

Stupid democrats... you lack foresight.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 01:58 PM

So I guess Obama plans on taking the bus to the airport?

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 01:59 PM

The helicopters are not dead yet just delayed.

#6 Kevin Greene

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:00 PM

But then how will we survive the Great Presidential Helicopter Wars of 2012?


:smilielol5:

#7 rodeo

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:08 PM

so if sarah palin wins in 2012 will she have to shoot endangered species from the GROUND? that's just unfair.

#8 SorthNarolina

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:52 PM

The f-22 was a debacle, it's an amazing machine but really the F-35 is just fine for most requirements

From what my brother told me the main general who pushed the F-22 through congress later was a contractor for lockheed

I don't really have a problem with the new helicopters and they should replace them eventually when the bugdet isn't such an issue

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 06:50 PM

Lockheed makes both the F22 and the F35. It shouldn't make any difference to them.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 07:21 PM

Lockheed makes both the F22 and the F35. It shouldn't make any difference to them.


there are protests being planned here in atlanta for no real reason

also im thinking of joining the air force and just going pew pew with drones if the other agency i applied for doesn't want me

#11 engine9

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 08:56 PM

F'n Gates, who the hell hired that dumbass?

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 12:07 AM

Lockheed makes both the F22 and the F35. It shouldn't make any difference to them.


Boeing and Lockheed competed for the contract for the F-35, it just so happens that lockheed won that as well.

the whole reason the military had a need for a new fighter was because of the F-22

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 07:35 PM

Boeing and Lockheed competed for the contract for the F-35, it just so happens that lockheed won that as well.

the whole reason the military had a need for a new fighter was because of the F-22


I think they are actually partnered on both. Boeing manufactures some parts of the airframe, and Lockheed assembles. There is a similar partnership with the F22.


FWIW, this is probably the right move. The F22 is a fantastic platform, but its hard to see a need for it right now. The F35 will likely be more advanced than anything any other nation has for quite a while.

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 08:27 PM

But its...its....Defense cuts! Obama will leave us unprotected!

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:33 PM

But its...its....Defense cuts! Obama will leave us unprotected!


I know you are being facetious, but in truth, there are some areas that can be cut.

That being said, I am not sure I am completely comfortable with the emphasis on small unit warfare. I know thats the kind of fighting we are doing now, but I hope we keep enough standard forces to deal with a more conventional threat should it arise within the next 10 years.


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