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#136 natty

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:06 PM

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#137 Dpantherman

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:23 PM

There are only a few FACTS that we actually know about this situation:

1. Zimmerman followed the kid
2. The kid was on the phone with his girlfriend (we don't know what she heard)
3. There was an assault/altercation
4. Zimmerman had a gun and the kid had a BAG OF fuging SKITTLES
5. The kid was shot and killed

Outside of these items, everything that you keep saying is NOTHING more than you opinion on what happened....based on your own biases.

We don't know what was said....we don't know what happened when the two came together....we don't know who started the assault....we don't know if it was self defense.

you missed something.

#138 tarheelpride

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:31 PM

There are no "phone records". The only thing that is a fact is that she was on the phone with him. What she says she heard is from a person with a bias and a vested interest in defending her boyfriend.

It is not evidence.


However, there are enough questions that this should go to a grand jury. let the actual evidence be brought forward and a jury decided what this was.


so are you now downplaying what came out the mouth of the last person to actually talk to him? How is that not evidence? And how the hell do you not know that even the police department isn't biased??? They're CHANGING WITNESS TESTIMONIES ON THE DAMN SPOT!!! And you're saying what the girlfriend said is biased?

And what constitutes "evidence" in this case since phone records don't mean anything to you? You want Zimmerman to walk up to you yourself and tell you he did it? You want Martin to rise from the dead and say what happened?

#139 Bronn

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:32 PM

If this scenario was a white kid getting shot in the ghetto, sylvianlight, Arsen, g5, etc. would all be up in arms about how this injustice was somehow Obama's fault and would want that ghetto to be bombed because Fox News said so...

The use of deadly force is a finite decision, and one that should be made as a last line of defense when you feel your life is endangered... NOT when you're putting yourself into a situation that you have no business being in in the first place...

#140 MadHatter

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:39 PM

so are you now downplaying what came out the mouth of the last person to actually talk to him? How is that not evidence? And how the hell do you not know that even the police department isn't biased??? They're CHANGING WITNESS TESTIMONIES ON THE DAMN SPOT!!! And you're saying what the girlfriend said is biased?

And what constitutes "evidence" in this case since phone records don't mean anything to you? You want Zimmerman to walk up to you yourself and tell you he did it? You want Martin to rise from the dead and say what happened?


My point is that ALL you know is that he was on the phone with her. You DO NOT know what she heard.

As I said, there appears to be enough evidence to warrant an investigation and trial. There, the evidence will be presented in a court of law....rather than people making up their minds about what ACTUALY happened through reading a couple of newspaper articles.

#141 g5jamz

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:53 PM

If this scenario was a white kid getting shot in the ghetto, sylvianlight, Arsen, g5, etc. would all be up in arms about how this injustice was somehow Obama's fault and would want that ghetto to be bombed because Fox News said so...

The use of deadly force is a finite decision, and one that should be made as a last line of defense when you feel your life is endangered... NOT when you're putting yourself into a situation that you have no business being in in the first place...


F you Azazel...don't even know who you are.

For the record, I was simply reserving judgement until more facts come out. In this particular case, it's looking more and more likely that Zimmerman overstepped his bounds. The question now is if the new Florida law protects him in this instance.

As I'd mentioned earlier, there was a similar situation where a man witnessed a mugging and he followed the dude so he could put the police right on him. The perp pulled a weapon and the following man shot him and killed him. No charges were brought up. In THIS instance, there is no evidence of the kid doing anything that warranted being followed. There was no need for 911 to be called in the first place. Zimmerman overstepped his bounds IMHO and should suffer the consequences of making a very very poor decision.

#142 Bronn

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:02 PM

okay okay, maybe I shouldn't have included you in that list thus far in the thread... but your past actions make you an easy target in such cases as this...

#143 Porn Shop Clerk

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:20 PM

did this kid not have the right to be left the fug alone?

#144 Bronn

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:22 PM

did this kid not have the right to be left the fug alone?


no no he had every right to see what that black kid was up to!

/apologists

#145 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:33 PM

This is a tragedy no doubt about it. But I am glad that no white people were involved in it.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:00 PM

this reminds me of that time when a couple regular posters here told me that it's only natural to be afraid of young black males when you're alone

but actually i was the true racist by even suggesting that their paranoia is indicative of racist beliefs

#147 Iceberg Slim

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:18 PM

So this thread is still going, well we can debate this all we want to but the facts of this will come to light....see the problem here is that there is a lack of realization that racism comes in all colors, black folk (yes absolutely) white folk, asians, and hispanics. The problem here is not an issue of race, but more of an issue of profiling. This dude allowed his stereo types to control his actions and thus we have the outcome we do. Sorry for all of you all that are defending him or act as if you don't know the facts. Bottom line here is this guy profiled another guy, had a gun, and wanted to use it. This is cold blooded murder, plain and simple.This could have happened to a white kid, black kid, asian kid, whatever, which is the reason every body should be outraged. This is the case of an idiot with a gun and a simple mind. He needs to be arrested, period.

#148 SmootsDaddy89

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 11:09 PM

I hope Toby Keith writes a song about this American hero.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 12:17 AM

Guys, sure we know Zimmerman followed the kid in a car despite 911 telling him to back off but we don't have any idea WHO started it!

Sylvianlight believes in justifiable rape as well just to put things in perspective.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 01:59 AM

Guys, sure we know Zimmerman followed the kid in a car despite 911 telling him to back off but we don't have any idea WHO started it!

Sylvianlight believes in justifiable rape as well just to put things in perspective.


well maybe she shouldn't have worn that dress

and maybe that kid shouldn't have been born black


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