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The illusion of needing another WR

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Rayzor you are a great poster but a huge homer.

You can put those ear muffs back on now, sorry we upset you.

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All of this is great theory, but, I want another veteran WR who I know demands the immediate respect of the opposition on the field to act as a counterbalance to keep defenses from teeing off on 89. I tend to believe my eyes for the last few years---including last year---that our offense would have been that much more effective and efficient had teams had to worry on mostly every down that any WR not named Smith would take it to the house. If you look at Smitty's stats, they were out of this world the first half of the year and very much pedestrian the second half of the season. I can hear you saying (yeah, but) that's when we won, but if you actually look at who we were winning against versus who we lost to during the later part of 2011, you will see that the teams that had viable threats at the WR1 and WR2 positions were the ones that beat us. This is not an illusion. Moreover, I can make an argument that the way that NFL offenses have evolved during the last few years, that you are not going to seal the deal with a championship without viable and respected threats at WR...You may get close, but you are just not gonna seize the Lombardi without having two down-field threats at WR who can and will break down the defensive schemes of the opposition at the end of the day in this modern era of the NFL. The team with the other guy(s) becomes champion.

Now, this is not to say, that perhaps Brandon LaFell, David Gettis, or even Joe Adams, can't become that other guy, but is it worth betting the house over, especially when Smitty's window of opportunity is closing. He isn't Superman, you know. Moreover, if Steve Smith were to get hurt, do you really believe that LaFell, Gettis, Adams, Olsen or Tolbert can effectively make up for that loss? If you do, then that's delusional. No one can make up for that loss, but adding another proven WR who defenses know that they must account for would certainly smooth things over. We all have seen a sampling of what a Smitty-less offense looks like---an offense that has a bunch of 600 and 700 yard ceiling wide-outs---and it's not pretty. This is also while having an A-grade running game, with and without a respectable presence at QB. It's like driving a performance car with a bad catalytic converter.

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Wait didn't you hear how many receivers we already have top dawg? Their practically growing on trees!

How many of them outside of Steve Smith are proven you ask? Well... umm... let's see here...

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Rayzor you are a great poster but a huge homer.

You can put those ear muffs back on now, sorry we upset you.

???

you wouldn't have been saying that for the last few years we had fox.

or the last couple years we were forcing jake to play when we should have moved on.

or the last couple years we were running davis and foster....or when we had foster as the starter...i could go on.

i like the direction we are going, finally. i think we have what will become a championship team. i feel good about what's going on here. how is that a bad thing? that automatically makes me a homer? aside from DT (which i'm not one that thinks we are anywhere close to being set and wish we had done more), and cb (which i'm a bit more optimistic in but still don't feel comfortable with) and safety (which i really don't feel good about and hope that they just don't suck) i think we are in a good place, esp. for growth, which is what i have wanted for years.

if that makes me a homer...whatever. i think it's just being a fan of the team and the direction we're going. if i'm supposed to be more negative and bitchy about things to not be a homer, i think i'd rather be a homer. i did enough bitching before rivera and cam got here. the panthers are doing what i was hoping they would do. why can't i feel good about that?

meh....

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All of this is great theory, but, I want another veteran WR who I know demands the immediate respect of the opposition on the field to act as a counterbalance to keep defenses from teeing off on 89.

how does one become a vet like that? not sure but i think they've got to develop or something like that...you know, get experience? learn? grow?

you don't find vets like that in FA very often and even at that, they are usually short term vets. i'm more interested in a long term solution and you just aren't likely to find that in FA, esp when you're working with a budget.

we don't need a singular player who demands the respect of the opposition opposite smitty because of the system and the guy throwing the ball and the multiple options he has in any given play.

would it be nice and beneficial to have someone else like that? sure. it's not completely essential for this team to dominate, though. i'm willing to sit back and see if one or two of the guys we have on the roster right now can grow into that. i actually believe that lafell is that guy and that this year we will see him garnering that kind of respect, but...with so many receiving options out on the field all the time and the amount of personnel defenses have to use to try and keep cam contained, we just aren't going to see any other person other than smitty get double teamed. they just can't afford to do that.

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I believe this season will be a good tell about the talent we have at WR. I am not opposed to throwing as many WR's to the fire this preseason to see which players shake out though. If we make it through the year, and a clear #2 doesn't surface, I believe we need to make a move in the draft. I do not believe our future #1 WR is on the team right now.

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???

you wouldn't have been saying that for the last few years we had fox.

or the last couple years we were forcing jake to play when we should have moved on.

or the last couple years we were running davis and foster....or when we had foster as the starter...i could go on.

i like the direction we are going, finally. i think we have what will become a championship team. i feel good about what's going on here. how is that a bad thing? that automatically makes me a homer? aside from DT (which i'm not one that thinks we are anywhere close to being set and wish we had done more), and cb (which i'm a bit more optimistic in but still don't feel comfortable with) and safety (which i really don't feel good about and hope that they just don't suck) i think we are in a good place, esp. for growth, which is what i have wanted for years.

if that makes me a homer...whatever. i think it's just being a fan of the team and the direction we're going. if i'm supposed to be more negative and bitchy about things to not be a homer, i think i'd rather be a homer. i did enough bitching before rivera and cam got here. the panthers are doing what i was hoping they would do. why can't i feel good about that?

meh....

The homer bit was tongue in cheek like your spell correct, I am one too at times. No biggie.

Of course I am optimistic about our current team and future, I only want us to be the best. That doesn't mean though that I have to ignore perceived weaknesses.

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That makes about as much sense as waiting until steve smith retires to replace him. You are so witty.

I take it you didn't quite grasp the extreme complexity of simple sarcasm.

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Csx lol the huddle wise ass, thanks bro.

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how does one become a vet like that? not sure but i think they've got to develop or something like that...you know, get experience? learn? grow?

you don't find vets like that in FA very often and even at that, they are usually short term vets. i'm more interested in a long term solution and you just aren't likely to find that in FA, esp when you're working with a budget.

we don't need a singular player who demands the respect of the opposition opposite smitty because of the system and the guy throwing the ball and the multiple options he has in any given play.

would it be nice and beneficial to have someone else like that? sure. it's not completely essential for this team to dominate, though. i'm willing to sit back and see if one or two of the guys we have on the roster right now can grow into that. i actually believe that lafell is that guy and that this year we will see him garnering that kind of respect, but...with so many receiving options out on the field all the time and the amount of personnel defenses have to use to try and keep cam contained, we just aren't going to see any other person other than smitty get double teamed. they just can't afford to do that.

Rayzor, you talk like letting a WR develop and adding a veteran guy to the mix are mutually exclusive. We can do both. Teams do it all the time, sometimes with great results. I want a championship with Steve Smith in the worse kind of way. Not that it makes real sense (because I have absolutely no control over the situation), but if (looking like "when") Smitty doesn't get a ring this will be my biggest regret in life as not only a Panthers fan, but a fan of the NFL. I am emotionally invested. I am all in. Cam Newton has given me an inkling of real hope that this can happen. That's why I don't mind a short term answer. That's why I would have given Plax a look, would try and bring in Braylon Edwards, or work out Mike Williams. I am not so desperate that I'd bring in a T.O., but the fleeting thought has crossed my mind.

To me, it's crazy to think that depth impedes development. I suppose it can if handled in the wrong way, but our coaches (thus far) have proven that they are adept offensively, and a veteran WR is not gonna be a monkey wrench that breaks the engine down. You obviously put great faith and belief in a "system", but the most efficient "systems" are made up of quality parts. WRs still have to run crisp, precise routes and catch the ball. Perhaps the difference between being a good and a great WR is the YAC. You will never convinve me that systems make average receivers good, or good receivers great. There has to be something more to a guy to produce when necessary than just showing up. Professional football is too dynamic a sport to be that simplistic.

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Did someone say homer? Joe Adams is the my newest offensive giddy horse lol

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