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#46 Bones McCoy

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 02:37 PM

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 03:41 PM

Smith wouldn't be in this situation because he sees things differently than Peppers. Seems to me that Peppers is all about himself. Team and loyalty seem to take a backseat. We could settle for fair which would suggest that he gives us this year to make up for 2007. It isn't like he won't be paid a ton, likely the top yearly salary in the league.
Smith is alot of things but he is loyal and has made the transition from self interest to team player. Seems he appreciates what we have and how he fits into the plan. He wants to be here and bring us a championship. Not bail to another team to chase supposed greener pastures.

I would hope if Peppers does come back here, he is a little more humble and appreciative of what he has.

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 08:19 PM

Smitty's great. Definitely top 5. But there is no doubt Fitzgerald is the best WR in the game today...


Fitzgerald JUST learned how to properly play receiver. Steve has been doing it at the top for 6 or 7 years now. You also have to factor in the other 2 best receivers in the league, Moss and Fitzgerald have 2 future HOFs throwing to them.

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 08:24 PM

TO the OP zod..i don’t know about all the teams that would want smith..even with the huge numbers he puts up..Everybody still wants to put him in a box because of his size..Just put him in the slot..It amazes me how stupid people can be sometimes but I hear it all the time..

#50 Snake

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 09:13 PM

Smith wouldn't be in this situation because he sees things differently than Peppers. Seems to me that Peppers is all about himself. Team and loyalty seem to take a backseat. We could settle for fair which would suggest that he gives us this year to make up for 2007. It isn't like he won't be paid a ton, likely the top yearly salary in the league.
Smith is alot of things but he is loyal and has made the transition from self interest to team player. Seems he appreciates what we have and how he fits into the plan. He wants to be here and bring us a championship. Not bail to another team to chase supposed greener pastures.

I would hope if Peppers does come back here, he is a little more humble and appreciative of what he has.




Peppers and Moose are good examples of players that are out for themselves. Moose knows now that the Grass is not all that green but Peppers dose not and is prob gonna go the same path as Moose.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 12:32 AM

Saw a few people compare the situations with Edwards and Boldin. Technically those are not quite the same circumstances since both are under contract and seeking trade. Neither is a free agent.

As to the premise, I don't know about the size of the offer, but you can bet there would have been one.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 02:31 AM

Well, of course everyone will put Smith as a top 3 guy. Thats a given...

1. Larry Fitzgerald
2. Calvin Johnson
3. Andre Johnson
4. Randy Moss
5. Wes Welker (Been more consistent, even without Brady)
6. Brandon Marshall
7. Steve Smith

So, yea... Smith falls all the way to #7 minimum. Those guys above him are more talented but Smith is still a top 10.



Differences between smith and welker

With Welker

HoF coach who always finds the right players to fit his system. HoF WR playing right next to him requiring double/triple coverage. Hof QB throwing to him. HoF's out the ass!!!! An essential cog in the pats machine.

Plays on a passing team with a great D.

Came into the leauge undrafted and didn't start as a WR. Plays return man well but not elite. Very versitle.

Is an all out footballer, loves the game and is a man all coaches want to have.

He's a system WR who is playing for the best coach in the NFL, he fits the system perfectly thus he does very well. How many Pats players have the same success they have post-bellichick? How "consistent" will he be then?

With Smith

Good Coach who makes sure he gets his touches. Above-average to horrible WRs playing next to him leaving him double/triple covered. Average QB throwing to him, but a QB who also is addicted to him. Has carried the team on his back an single handedly taken over games in the playoffs and regular season. Also has many crucial catches and TDs.

Plays on a run first team with a below-average D, every now and then a great D.

Came into the leauge drafted in the 3rd round and made probowl as returnman, wasn't done since 1993 and wasn't done again until devin hester. Also had better stats coming up with comaparable QBs. When he has had terrible QBs he's had better stats.

Scored TDs the first time he ever touched the ball in preseason and regular season in his rookie season. Just a fun little fact.

Has way more raw talent, you can't deny it. Flat out wrong if you think anything different.

Simmilarities

Smith plays well in the slot but also plays wide, welker is primarily a slot reciever. They both see plenty of favorable match ups in games.

They are both YAC recievers and the NFL lists them at the same size.

They both play in offenses where they are essential parts of the offense and guarranteed touches. Although welker plays in a pass based offense while smith see's less oppurtunities due to a run based offense.

It's hard to debate the top 5 recievers in the leauge because they have different skills sets. I'd say smith floats around there along with all the others and he's definatley not #1.

But by putting steve smith at #7 you prove that you are either:

a misinformed fan who knows little of the game he bewildering adores

OR



a troll who enjoys stalking message boards for reasons I do not care to know. For some reason you enjoy annoying people and watching the response for entertainment. There has got to be a better way to entertain yourself. I will not give in and call you names or insult you, I just reccomend you try something that's more fun for everybody.

Wouldn't it be more fun to discuss things with fellow bucs fans? Then everynow and then pop over to opposing teams message boards and debate with them using informed opinions and facts around the time you guys play eachother(or only post in forums for smack talk). Maybe you could try spending less time on these boards also, find some other ways to spend your time because 1,000 posts just isn't healthy.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 02:35 AM

Smith wouldn't be in this situation because he sees things differently than Peppers. Seems to me that Peppers is all about himself. Team and loyalty seem to take a backseat. We could settle for fair which would suggest that he gives us this year to make up for 2007. It isn't like he won't be paid a ton, likely the top yearly salary in the league.
Smith is alot of things but he is loyal and has made the transition from self interest to team player. Seems he appreciates what we have and how he fits into the plan. He wants to be here and bring us a championship. Not bail to another team to chase supposed greener pastures.

I would hope if Peppers does come back here, he is a little more humble and appreciative of what he has.


I think smith had the benefit of having to work a little harder to get where he is and also being in a few different enviroments. He also had to overcome adversity a few times, he's had situations that made him take a long hard look at himself.

I think peppers has been so successful throughout his life that even though he's not a premadonna by any means, he still may see things from a bit of a skewed perspective. I think he had a mid life crisis of sorts and has really handled it badly, hopefully it turns out well.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 04:41 AM

Of course there are going to be some homers on this board, but as of right now Fitzgerald would have to be ranked higher than Smitty...but not by a lot. Smitty is definitely top 3.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 10:51 PM

Fitzgerald JUST learned how to properly play receiver. Steve has been doing it at the top for 6 or 7 years now. You also have to factor in the other 2 best receivers in the league, Moss and Fitzgerald have 2 future HOFs throwing to them.


How interesting.

Fitzgerald is still the best WR in the league today.


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