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Israel Bombs Iranian Missile base in Sudan - Iran mobilizes Navy

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Russian technology and Iranian sailors. The worst of both worlds. :)

Shades of the Kursk...

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The Kilos are actually good subs and far and away Iran's most lethal threat. Question would be can they operate far enough from their home base to actually do some damage. They would have to pass thru some narrow restricted waters to get to Israel. Even our own subs don't like to do that.

How long can diesel subs operate before needing to refuel?

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Is it too much to ask for everyone over there (Israel in particular) to just play nice and mind their own damned business?

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How long can diesel subs operate before needing to refuel?

For a while, but refueling is not the problem really. Its how much experience they have in operating in unfamiliar waters, without the assistance of their air force and navy. And how good they are at hiding from Anti submarine warfare units, or finding and identyfying targets without assistance.

And I wonder if our own subs are following them as soon as they leave port as we use to do sometimes with the Russians.

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How long can diesel subs operate before needing to refuel?

That will vary widely depending on the class of the submarine, and whether or not the submarine is traveling underwater or on the surface... For reference sake, Israel's Dolphin class submarine:

"The propulsion system provides a speed of 20kt dived and a snorting speed of 11kt. The range of the submarine is 8,000 miles at a surface speed of 8kt and over 400 miles at an economical speed of 8kt dived. The hull is rated for a diving depth of 350m. The endurance of the submarine is 30 days."

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/dolphin/

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FINALLY VENOM WILL BE VINDICATED!!1!!!

huh?

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Not good, not good at all... This will cause an all out conflict in middle east... oil prices will be insane so US will have to step in, it's a given... Either you like it or not... Israel attacks, US will follow suit. I expect Israel to fug with Iran just enough for Iran to fire first rocket into Israel, then Israel will blame Iran for attacking first and will ask everyone for help in defeating the perpetrator. I can also see sabotage on Israeli plans, where they attack their own people and then blame it on Iran. Israeli goal is to make Iran look like a bad guy, otherwise it can be devastating if Israel attacks first without a good reason. Israel knows it very well, otherwise they would attack Iran years ago before Iran spent hundreds billions of dollars on new defense system and new weapons technology.

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There isn't going to be a regular war between Israel and Iran. Some of you really need to look at a friggin map. The Israeli army isn't going to go marching across Jordan and Iraq to get there, and neither is the Iranian army. Any conflicts between the two will be low key, naval and spec ops with maybe some air combat on occassion. Iran and Israel going to war would be like North Carolina and Oregon going to war.

And btw, when has the US ever had to send troops into combat to back up the Israelis? And no silly conspiracy theory crap please.

Meh, borders schmorders. Countries in the way doesn't really mean a whole lot in my opinion. Alliances and military build up in that area can be a tricky business.

Lets use World War One as an example. So prior to this war there was already potential war rumblings between Britain and Germany based on the German threat to British hegemony of the European continent.

So then some shady Serbian nationalist group assassinates the Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand or Austria....turns out this nationlist group was supported by some higher ups in the Serbian government.....whoopsy!!

So Austro-Hungarian Empire makes some entirely ridiculous demands to Serbia, known as the Habsburg ultimatum, which, among other things, demands that the Empire be allowed to be part of the judicial process surrounding the assassins, thereby voiding Serbian sovereignty.

So of course Serbia says, "fug off Austria!!" and subsequently Russia notices that with the Austro-Hungarian empire invading Serbia they would have a political rival controlling their only access to the Black Sea, which served as their main trade route. Well they couldn't have that!!

So the Russians built up the military on the border to stop the Austrians....well the goddamn Germans were threatened by a Russian military, of a reported 6 million standing, building up on their borders and they decided that they couldn't be having none of that either! The Germans had this deal called the Schleiffen plan. You see, the Russians and the French were allies, and Germany realized that they couldn't fight the Russian buildup to their east without the French retaliating from the west. So the Schleiffen Plan called for a quick invasion and conquering of France and a subsequent turn back east to defend against Russia. They believed, you see, that the Russian military would take a long time to mobilize. Well the Russians had taken the prior decade improving their rail infrastructure.

Well prior to this, you see, the Germans attempted to request the French to stay Neutral, so that they could just focus on the Russians, and nullify the Schlieffen plan. The French naturally said "fug off" being French pricks that they were.

So here's Britain, who's claiming they want to stay neutral but there's this pesky Belgian country in the way between Germany and France. Once France told Germany to fug off, Britain said "Hey Germany you better not go through Belgium to get to France!! We demand that you only invade their sovereignty a tiny bit and invade through the southern tip of Belgium"

Well Germany said "fug the world" and decided the best course of action was to just go headlong through Belgium into France because that southern tip that the English were willing to concede was the most fortified part of the border. So naturally England had to declare war to stop the dastardly Germans!

And thus, from nothing starts a global conflict. Of course the US would join a few years later after some ship bombings by the Germans, who were, by the way, being starved and blockaded by a superior British navy. But whatever.....

Point being, borders don't really mean poo.

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Yup, the world is going to come to and end all because of some idiots in the middle east. Woot.

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The only people less popular in the region than the Iranians are the Israelis.

I suspect the rest of the Middle East would be happy to watch these two groups beat the hell out of one another.

I wouldn't blame them for feeling that way either.

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Meh, borders schmorders. Countries in the way doesn't really mean a whole lot in my opinion. Alliances and military build up in that area can be a tricky business.

Lets use World War One as an example. So prior to this war there was already potential war rumblings between Britain and Germany based on the German threat to British hegemony of the European continent.

So then some shady Serbian nationalist group assassinates the Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand or Austria....turns out this nationlist group was supported by some higher ups in the Serbian government.....whoopsy!!

So Austro-Hungarian Empire makes some entirely ridiculous demands to Serbia, known as the Habsburg ultimatum, which, among other things, demands that the Empire be allowed to be part of the judicial process surrounding the assassins, thereby voiding Serbian sovereignty.

So of course Serbia says, "fug off Austria!!" and subsequently Russia notices that with the Austro-Hungarian empire invading Serbia they would have a political rival controlling their only access to the Black Sea, which served as their main trade route. Well they couldn't have that!!

So the Russians built up the military on the border to stop the Austrians....well the goddamn Germans were threatened by a Russian military, of a reported 6 million standing, building up on their borders and they decided that they couldn't be having none of that either! The Germans had this deal called the Schleiffen plan. You see, the Russians and the French were allies, and Germany realized that they couldn't fight the Russian buildup to their east without the French retaliating from the west. So the Schleiffen Plan called for a quick invasion and conquering of France and a subsequent turn back east to defend against Russia. They believed, you see, that the Russian military would take a long time to mobilize. Well the Russians had taken the prior decade improving their rail infrastructure.

Well prior to this, you see, the Germans attempted to request the French to stay Neutral, so that they could just focus on the Russians, and nullify the Schlieffen plan. The French naturally said "fug off" being French pricks that they were.

So here's Britain, who's claiming they want to stay neutral but there's this pesky Belgian country in the way between Germany and France. Once France told Germany to fug off, Britain said "Hey Germany you better not go through Belgium to get to France!! We demand that you only invade their sovereignty a tiny bit and invade through the southern tip of Belgium"

Well Germany said "fug the world" and decided the best course of action was to just go headlong through Belgium into France because that southern tip that the English were willing to concede was the most fortified part of the border. So naturally England had to declare war to stop the dastardly Germans!

And thus, from nothing starts a global conflict. Of course the US would join a few years later after some ship bombings by the Germans, who were, by the way, being starved and blockaded by a superior British navy. But whatever.....

Point being, borders don't really mean poo.

Those situations you described aren't remotely similar to Israel and Iran. There isn't some balance of evenly matched allies lining up to support one or the other. There isn't going to be a world war because of Israel and Iran. There isn't going to be much of a war period because neither side has the capability to sustain a large scale conflict. And yes, in this case borders do mean a lot.

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