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#41 twylyght

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:14 PM

Are you saying this problem is unique to the US? I guess it is to some extent because we dont have universal healthcare. What is your solution? I mean this is the reason Obamacare instituted that tax/ penalty for those without insurance



There are plenty of people going into medicine, because despite high malpractice insurance doctors are still some of the highest paid people around (and are higher paid than their international colleagues I might add). Thing is more and more are getting specialties instead of going into general practice. Because you make more money doing that. I wouldnt mind limiting damages in medical cases though



I never said that the rest of the world had better health care. I'm just saying they pay a hell of a lot less for it. And I'm not familiar with any world leaders from first world nations who came here for procedures, though I dont doubt it.


If you wish to truly live free then you MUST assume responsibility for your action/inaction. If you wish to relinquish that freedom, then be forthright about it.

There is NO actual forcing of responsibility with Obamacare. If you can't afford Obamacare, then it is provided for you... EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT IS NOW, except, now the American public that actually pays taxes is now outright paying it as a tax for those that continue to live irresponsibly. The current iteration retains the burden with the taxpayer while adding an unchecked governmental buyer in the market while tacking on the administrative overhead of said "services" while being accountable to no competition in the market.

And NO, the answer to repealing Obamacare is not letting people die in the streets. It didn't happen before these ludicrous policies. It wouldn't happen after. It simply puts the burden back on local community to provide those services for the indigent where people can actually be held accountable for irresponsibility if the behavior is deemed as such.

This notion of fairness is "Harrison Bergeron" come to life and is every bit as unrealistic and unworkable. The current generation continues to live in a fantasy world at the expense of future generations if we can get away with it.

#42 stirs

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:34 PM

Yeah man, it's pretty awesome to have the best doctors for the 50% or so of the population who can afford healthcare - fug everyone else though.


don't worry, Obamacare will screw the top half so that nobody has good ones.

SUCCESS?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:48 PM

Hey twy you forgot to mention the millions of younger healthier people that will have to be responsible and get insurance, which will expand the pool with better risk people, and lower overall costs which is a cornerstone of this plan and which the CBO STILL tells us will reduce government healthcare spending and lower the deficit which I understand is the worst thing ever and all Obamas fault because he can't pass anything to reduce the deficit

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:06 PM

don't worry, Obamacare will screw the top half so that nobody has good ones.

SUCCESS?


get some new talking points....

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:03 AM

can we stop comparing the us to homogenized societies? why do we keep falling for the same trap?

i keep saying it over and over again. focus on the uninsured FIRST. see why and who and what is going on. get that under control, THEN let's start diving into the bigger issues of health care.

#46 Kevin Greene

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:13 AM

You'd be naive to think this purge is unique to the health care industry in anticipation of increased business operating costs on the near horizon.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:15 AM

Pretty sure Wake Forest just expanded a tower, why are they laying off workers when they have enough money to build that?

#48 mmmbeans

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:13 AM

Ask a triage nurse how many people they get in for the common cold, minor abrasions, etc.


Are you saying our healthcare system is going bankrupt because of the common cold?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:39 AM

Hey twy you forgot to mention the millions of younger healthier people that will have to be responsible and get insurance, which will expand the pool with better risk people, and lower overall costs which is a cornerstone of this plan and which the CBO STILL tells us will reduce government healthcare spending and lower the deficit which I understand is the worst thing ever and all Obamas fault because he can't pass anything to reduce the deficit



jesus....you are fuging dumb.

They do NOT have to get insurance. They can opt out....pay a very small yearly fee....then get insurance when they need it because they can't deny for pre-existing conditions.

The entire insurance industry is based on healthy people paying in much more than they take out of the system. This surplus is what funds the sick and elderly...whose costs far exceed the amount they pay in.

Take away the requirement for the healthy to have insurance and the entire systems implodes on itself.

You cannot have a system without the mandate and without denying for pre-existing conditions.

It is not that hard to understand.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:53 AM

what i find hilarious/troubling is how there are "projected" savings. haha. o really? you can predict the overall savings without it ever being implemented? LOL


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