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#16 Chimera

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:52 AM

Based on what evidence or logic?


Think about the stats you posted. Cam has 16 passing TDs. Smith has 2 receiving TDs. That's only 12.5% of the pie.

You brought up another point. Dalton is a game manager. Cam isn't.
In the redzone, Dalton passes. Cam runs through people. It's 6 points either way you look at it.

lol @ comparing passing TD numbers. Let's look at total touchdown accountability. Cam averages 2 a game for his career. 58 in 29 career games. How does Dalton look?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:56 AM

That was just in the past 3 games which he's put up huge numbers and helped bring it up. It doesn't wipe away how he's performed in the other 11 where he averaged close to 70 during that span.


The games where we ran the read option as our base offense? Really? Now I see why the entire board laughs at you.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:59 AM

The games where we ran the read option as our base offense? Really? Now I see why the entire board laughs at you.



Wait are you saying Cam fumbles the ball instead of extending the drive, or throws ducks in the ball in the ground in the endzone because we ran the spread option? He chokes late in the game because of the spread option? Interesting...

How come the spread option and read option plays work for RG3, Russel Wilson, Colin Kaepernick worked for Cam when he plays good? The dumbest argument I have ever heard on this board is that Cam's difficulties have come out of running a style of offense that are helping rookie QB's put up passer ratings of over 100 religiously in the NFL. That's why the entire board laughs. They have no fuging clue what they are talking about.

Keep thinking the fact we are playing terrible teams has nothing to do with his sudden improvement.


2011 De Ja Vu.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:07 AM

The option isn't their base offense. Other teams use it situationally. Ever wonder why those teams are using it in the first place?

I'm not sure what a duck in the ball is, but I would advise you not to carry popcorn to the park.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:15 AM

Another overlooked stat for Cam is that he's 23 years old and 2 years younger than Andy Dalton and only 2 or 3 months older than Andrew Luck. In terms of experience, he is so far behind both of them that it's ridiculous to even compare the two. Cam played ONE SEASON of football at Auburn and one season at basically what was an extension of high school football at Blinn CC. How he comes directly into the NFL and starts breaking records is..... phenomenal to say the least. Guys like Dalton and Luck played 4 years in college with a few thousand more live snaps and defensive reads. Cam bounced from place to place and has played in literally FIVE different systems from high school, Florida, Blinn CC, Auburn, and now Carolina.

Think about that when you compare him to these polished, pristine, seasoned young quarterbacks he is being compared with.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:16 AM

In week 1, Pilares les the team in rushing with a whopping 5 yards.
Cam has since led the team in rushing on 6 different occasions and had our only 100 yard rushing performance of the system.

Yeah, the system is fine.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:17 AM

The option isn't their base offense. Other teams use it situationally. Ever wonder why those teams are using it in the first place?

I'm not sure what a duck in the ball is, but I would advise you not to carry popcorn to the park.



We run a variation of the spread option based on the Air Coryell which includes a variety of option plays. Other teams are copying what we started last year. The Redskins run it so religiously, it could be considered their base offense. 49ers are going in that direction with Colin. Russel Wilson's biggest touchdowns and pass completions come out of the spread option. Same for RG3. It's why he has these wiiiide open receivers.

Cam's 72 yard touchdown, longest of his career came out of the spread option.

To move away from that when other dual rush QB's are tearing up the NFL, is pretty idiotic at this point and I'm sorry but the ones calling out for us to start putting Cam in I formation on a regular basis are just absolutely laughable. Cam just needs to learn how to "read" the defense when running the read option so he stops falling into defensive traps when they disguise coverage. The problem's not the option. It gives offenses a HUGE advantage. It's his ability to read it on the fly then make the right decision quickly.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:32 AM

There is ALWAYS a reason to knock down Cam. ALWAYS. If you look hard enough, you will find a reason why ... he ain't that good. It only took Manning 7+ years to get to the SB. We are expecting Cam to win it ... this year, otherwise, his career has been a failure. Plenty of great QBs have never even made it there ...
Cut Cam some slack, would you?
The Panthers need to do the right thing and build their team the right way. Long term success is a marathon, not a sprint.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:36 AM

In week 1, Pilares les the team in rushing with a whopping 5 yards.
Cam has since led the team in rushing on 6 different occasions and had our only 100 yard rushing performance of the system.

Yeah, the system is fine.


Dude understand this. In the read option the QUARTERBACK, which is Cam Newton, ultimately decides to keep it or hand it off. Ask him why that is. He has to ultimately decide if it's a good idea to hand the ball off to your running back. If he will have the lanes and running room based on the defense that's coming at him.

If he's having an easier time with standard plays, it's because the decision making is often pre-determined. He just needs to go through his progressions. It's less off of his plate, not because there is something wrong with the spread option.

Do you honestly believe a defense has an easier time defending 6 offensive players, one of them being your rushing quarterback, with many more possibilities on each play rather than 5 with a stationary QB? Do you think it's better to keep Cam in the pocket longer, behind a shitty O line?

Chud's not the idiot the majority of this fan base thinks he is. Sorry, but It's the other way around.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:56 AM

Dude understand this. In the read option the QUARTERBACK, which is Cam Newton, ultimately decides to keep it or hand it off. Ask him why that is. He has to ultimately decide if it's a good idea to hand the ball off to your running back. If he will have the lanes and running room based on the defense that's coming at him.

If he's having an easier time with standard plays, it's because the decision making is often pre-determined. He just needs to go through his progressions. It's less off of his plate, not because there is something wrong with the spread option.

Do you honestly believe a defense has an easier time defending 6 offensive players, one of them being your rushing quarterback, with many more possibilities on each play rather than 5 with a stationary QB? Do you think it's better to keep Cam in the pocket longer, behind a shitty O line?

Chud's not the idiot the majority of this fan base thinks he is. Sorry, but It's the other way around.

We run a variation of the spread option based on the Air Coryell which includes a variety of option plays. Other teams are copying what we started last year. The Redskins run it so religiously, it could be considered their base offense. 49ers are going in that direction with Colin. Russel Wilson's biggest touchdowns and pass completions come out of the spread option. Same for RG3. It's why he has these wiiiide open receivers.

Cam's 72 yard touchdown, longest of his career came out of the spread option.

To move away from that when other dual rush QB's are tearing up the NFL, is pretty idiotic at this point and I'm sorry but the ones calling out for us to start putting Cam in I formation on a regular basis are just absolutely laughable. Cam just needs to learn how to "read" the defense when running the read option so he stops falling into defensive traps when they disguise coverage. The problem's not the option. It gives offenses a HUGE advantage. It's his ability to read it on the fly then make the right decision quickly.


If Cam didn't know how to read the defense from the option and Chud had him run it anyway then that would make Chud an idiot.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:49 AM

If Cam didn't know how to read the defense from the option and Chud had him run it anyway then that would make Chud an idiot


No because that's how he learns. There's no getting around it in this league. He has to learn it. It's not optional.

Despite what some might thing here when looking for scapegoats, this coaching staff is highly supportive of Cam and have done everything possible to help that, including asking our other players to change their styles. They want him to succeed. Their careers depend on it too.

He's not going to learn by just watching tape. There's also no reason to have a dual rush QB like Cam Newton and not try to make the spread option work. Pocket passer = wasted talent. Maybe when he's older you transition to that, but right now, you take advantage of his legs, which right now is still his most potent weapon.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:59 AM

Reading the Defense is one thing. But most NFL players do that before the ball is snapped. And then "take" what the defense "gives" them.

The Read option made him read and hurry and question his reads/options.

Not to mention, I think the Oline not knowing what they were blocking for... the run or the pass didn't help either.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:16 AM

Gotta love it. PFFL coming into this thread explaining the nuances of the spread offense and the read option when just a couple of weeks ago I had to explain to him what the read option is. He didn't understand the difference between the pistol and a standard shotgun formation, nor did he know what the read option referred to. Now he comes into this thread throwing around his expertise.

Take your hate somewhere else PFFL. You've been exposed here too many times.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:33 AM

Gotta love it. PFFL coming into this thread explaining the nuances of the spread offense and the read option when just a couple of weeks ago I had to explain to him what the read option is. He didn't understand the difference between the pistol and a standard shotgun formation, nor did he know what the read option referred to. Now he comes into this thread throwing around his expertise.

Take your hate somewhere else PFFL. You've been exposed here too many times.



LOL

You have never explained anything about football to me Marguide that I didn't already know. You mean I proved you wrong when I showed you we ran out of the shotgun much more than you thought last year and you were not able to observe in a picture which stayed there for a full day the QB was 4 yards back....and now you don't even have the decency to remember you were wrong.

Yeah I thought it was pretty hilarious myself..."In the pistol the QB lines up 4 yards back but the shotgun 7" ...and you couldn't tell you were looking at a picture of a weak pistol. You are a true expert....

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Marguide has no fuging clue that this is a pistol. He thinks it's "standard" shotgun and can't tell our RB is actually 7 yards back, not the QB.

Stop telling people you are right. You aren't. We run the pistol. Religiously.

The problem with people like you and a lot of other Cam Newton fans is that even after someone shows you evidence and facts, and proves you wrong, you still go on spouting about how you were correct and exposed others. No integrity.

Here's the post you didn't even bother to respond to cause you had no answer: http://www.carolinah...35#entry2016104

The only thing you exposed is your inability to count.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:24 AM

a formation called the "pistol", in which the running back, instead of lining up next to the quarterback, lines up behind the quarterback, who in turn has lined up two to three yards behind the center


In the shotgun, instead of the quarterback receiving the snap from center at the line of scrimmage, he stands farther behind the line of scrimmage, often five to seven yards back.

....from wikipedia


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