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Josh Norman Was Really Benched

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He may be a safety before it is all over

Unless he works out with Hardy during the off-season and "puts on" 20 pounds of lean muscle, Norman is no Safety.

TD could transition back to Safety before Norman could.

Davis as a Safety...................hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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Unless he works out with Hardy during the off-season and "puts on" 20 pounds of lean muscle, Norman is no Safety.

TD could transition back to Safety before Norman could.

Davis as a Safety...................hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I have thought of Davis back to safety too, but He probably does not want to drop the 30 lbs-. Norman would need to add some weight, but there are smallish safeties. Mike Minter was 5'10" 195. Not saying Norman is Mike Minter,

There are many Cbs who make the switch. I am basing the statement on 3 factors--

1. He seems to tackle well

2. He is best when facing the LOS

3. He is a ball hawk

4 (bonus) he runs about a 4.6 (supposedly) which means to me that he has adapted by reading and anticipating quickly. Slow for a CB, but for a S, he would not be. Not perfect and I do not see his frame holing up at S, but if he busts at CB, why not take a look?

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I have thought of Davis back to safety too, but He probably does not want to drop the 30 lbs-. Norman would need to add some weight, but there are smallish safeties. Mike Minter was 5'10" 195. Not saying Norman is Mike Minter,

There are many Cbs who make the switch. I am basing the statement on 3 factors--

1. He seems to tackle well

2. He is best when facing the LOS

3. He is a ball hawk

4 (bonus) he runs about a 4.6 (supposedly) which means to me that he has adapted by reading and anticipating quickly. Slow for a CB, but for a S, he would not be. Not perfect and I do not see his frame holing up at S, but if he busts at CB, why not take a look?

If he can get in touch with Hardy's "Medical team" and Keiser's "Chia farm" we are in business.

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He isn't physical at the line, he gives a 7-10 yard cushion every play. I said earlier hes a very good tackler and is very good in coverage, but he plays too soft. The last drive against the Bears is a perfect example.

Is it really completely up to Norman whether or not to give a cushion?

I always thought that was part of the play call.

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Did you guys remember when Thomas Davis played Safety? He was terrible so they converted him to lber.

Also that whole knee thing might get in the way more so as a DB.

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I am not buying the cushion talk. The coaches should be instructing the DB's on every play whether to press, play off, how much cushion to allow ect.

If they see him not doing it they would take him out of the game fast in which case he would listen as to get back on the field.

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I thought I saw some flashes from Josh Thomas, too. He seemed to be consistently good throughout the winning streak. Not that I think he is the long term answer. Norman does have something great in him, but he was not consistent. Also, I think coaching and play calling had a lot to do with him playing 7-10 yards off. I remember sets where he was more like 20 yds off the LOS. I didn't think he lacked toughness, just pro experience. There's no doubt that it is very rare for a CB to come in to the league as a rookie starter and NOT be picked on by opposing WRs. He held his own occasionally. Flashed a few times, but got beat a lot.

It is true that we have fine depth at CB, but we don't have an ace back there. Even if Gamble does return at full strength, we are still missing a starting CB and a starting FS. CB is of greater need, I think.

Maybe Norman will rise to the top and be that #2 we need. Maybe Thomas will develop. We know Munnerlyn is best suited for the nickel. Stlll, I think we are going to have to get a top DB in this draft. As well as OL, WR, DT, and LB.

This defense was top 10 ( All things considered, I think it is a fair measure of our overall year) most of that success was without Norman. That says something I think to the next GM. He's not looking like the permanent solution.

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I think we have too many 3rd CBs. We need a true #2. Maybe that's Norman or maybe not. I just know we can't keep all of them. And usually the youngest prevail. I'm not optimistic of Munnerlyn's return. I have a feeling we're going to try to upgrade the #2 spot and have that person compete with Norman with Thomas and Dockery backing them up. Munnerlyn already expressed his displeasure of being a backup. Move on from him and give him a chance to start elsewhere if he can.

Let me get this straight, Norman gets a chance to compete for the starting gig, but you are designating Josh Thomas to backup? Some of you obviously don't watch the games or don't understand what is happening during them.
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Let me get this straight, Norman gets a chance to compete for the starting gig, but you are designating Josh Thomas to backup? Some of you obviously don't watch the games or don't understand what is happening during them.

They don't, everyone fell in love with Norman cause he talked trash to Smith in training camp, so now when Rivera benches him and puts in players who perform better its "something something stupid Rivera doghouse " its the same with dang Gettis. So sick of hearing about the dude who had 1 good game back in the day and is now the second coming that Rivera refuses to use.

Gamble at 1

Thomas/Norman/Hopefully new guy playing for 2

Captain at 3 - Rivera came out and said he thought Captain was one of the best NB in the league.

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I'm not certain Gamble comes back. I think it has a lot to do with the cap implications but I could see him as a cap casualty this offseason.

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If he can get in touch with Hardy's "Medical team" and Keiser's "Chia farm" we are in business.

i hear ya. Let me add that I am not in favor of tyring out a new position in the pros. Usually causes problems.

I can say that I was impressed with Thomas. He as physical at the line and he was better in coverage. We may have something there.

And I don't think either of us would seriously consider moving Davis to S S unless it was to find a way to get Beason on the field.

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Is it really completely up to Norman whether or not to give a cushion?

I always thought that was part of the play call.

Against Chicago, for instance,fans got so mad during that last drive when the play calling was soft.

Maybe that exposed Norman because the calls were made because he lacked the physicality and the recovery speed to be more disruptive. In other words, maybe Norman's physical limitations affect play calling. I never saw him successful jam a WR or take the slant away. He is a rookie, so that is good news. He will be 25, however, so the window is closing

If a kicker is struggling, you punt 50 yards out instead of going for the FG. If your QB is not good, you don't put him in situations where he has to carry the team.

The league seemed to know Nornan was weak because he was thrown at a LOT.

Just my theory--guessing. I am not one of the posters who claims to have supreme knowledge of all things related to football.

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